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Now Kurenai... Well let's just say compared to the big boys she is nothing even in genjutsu.
Sasuke was able to brake tsukiyomi with nothing but his normal sharingan eye (he would count as a one of the "big boys").
Now a normal genjutsu from Itachi used on Kakashi should not work.
Still Naruto has the best there is vs genjutsu, clones. As long as he has 100 of those out its imposible to get him. Hell Itachi got tricked from 1 clone of Kakashi's. I would say its not imposible to get around this.
Last edited by MonsterEnvy; April 03, 2011 at 02:06 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I actually think Orochimaru did attempt to break out, but simply wasn't skilled enough/powerful enough to do so. We see while paralyzed he starts to struggle (squiggly lines all around his body), but the most he can manage is lifting a hand.
You don't know that. All you know is he was TRYING to break out. When Naruto was Genjutsu'd by Itachi, he lifted his hands inorder to focus chakra, and it didn't do anything. For all you know, the same thing would've happened to Orochimaru.
Granted, Orochimaru has far better genjutsu expertise, meaning he can escape easier. But still, you don't know enough about Orochimaru's situation to guarantee he was gonna escape.
Last edited by ninjabot; April 03, 2011 at 04:56 PM.
But how good? He has a 5 in genjutsu, meaning his potential is maxed when it comes to it. Even with his genjutsu expertise being at it's peak he was still struggling.
That either means Itachi's genjutsu is so powerful that even experts pale in comparison to him... or that Naruto and Orochimaru have the same level of Genjutsu escaping ability. Which one makes more sense? Keep in mind the difference in the Genjutsu that was cast on Naruto and the one cast on Orochimaru. Itachi didn't even need his Sharingan to cast genjutsu on Naruto. Just a finger.
and honestly the 1st choice makes more sense to me Itachi so far has been shown to be on a diffrent level then other genjutsu users with a 5 in it
To be perfectly honest guys, I wouldn't put much stock in the databook values. They are a nice supplemental thing, but in reality, carry no weight in the actual story. I think the only time I remember anything remotely close to these states was in the Chunin exam when Kabuto flashed those cards? Going off the actual manga seems to be the better route when discussing character strengths and weaknesses. Oro, for all intents and purposes, utterly fails against the Sharingan. It doesn't matter whether or not his stat is 'off the charts' or not... he is going to fail. It's just his built in weakness... a kin to Deidara being weak against people with lightning based affinities.
Though, even with that said, I would agree that Itachi's genjutsu abilities are far superior to anyone else i.e. harder to deal with and on a different level.
Sasuke took Shi out in an instant. Kakashi also took two Root ninjas out in an instant. So for all intents and purpose, the danger of Tsukuyomi is already present with the normal Sharingan's genjutsu.
The salamander released a pretty big cloud of gas, so they still could have been some distances away. Not to mention that Hanzou didn't seem to be in that much of a rush considering he was relaying on his salamander to move and I can't imagine his salamander moving that fast.
Originally Posted by MonsterEnvy
Yeah, there was. When he hits him with the Genjutsu he staggers, and we see him with squiggly lines around his body, showing him struggling to move. And throughout his struggling, the only thing he could manage is to (slowly) lift one hand.
Originally Posted by vintagemistakes
I agree that the databooks aren't the end-all beat-all of power ranking, but I also don't think they should be ignored. The statistics are to be held as proof of a ninja's skill in a certain area relative to themselves. For example, if we wanted to look at how much faster Sasuke's gotten, we could look at databook 2 speed stats and compare then to the databook 3 speed stats to know just how much faster he's really gotten.
We could even compare his stats to other ninja to a small extent. If both ninja are on the same "level", then using databook stats to differentiate them actually works. Since the two ninja are on the same level, it makes sense to assume that their speed, strength, intelligence, and stamina are all pretty close. The databook however, tells us more accurately who's stronger in what area. Now, if we compared a Genin's stats to a Jounin, that's a different story. Until that Genin shows feats that places him on the level of a jounin, his stats can't be compared to a Jounin because they're on a far different level.
Long story short, that 5 in Genjutsu that Orochimaru has means that he, a sannin and Kage level opponent has reached his limit in Genjutsu expertise. Itachi, also a Kage level opponent with a 5, has reached his limit in Genjutsu expertise. It just so happens his limit was higher than Orochimaru's.