characters are fighting at their best,then Hiruzen should be how he was at least 10 years before Oro's war. I'd say his strongest age was after Minato's death when he learnt the dead demon seal. is he fighting as he was in that time? if he is he should be able to defeat Orochimaru,hashirama and tobirama. is Enma younger too?
No, no, no, it would be reading into this tooooooo much. Let's not get it more complicated than it already is methinks ^^Originally Posted by mattiaildivino
he is known as yellow flash because hirashin not shunshin
so to go to the point hirashin(minato speed jutsu) doesnt have anything to do with regular speed so he doesnt have to have huge base speed
so on sasuke points, he didnt evade just because he scored deadly hit, against sakura he was 80% blind and exsausted , also Madara never wanted to kill, Minato said it himself, so you are ignoring what you dont like
didnt minato had to put some kind of defensive tactic against raikage
yes itachi would be full of holes, hell like sharingan can predict something, or even better isnt like sasuke and itachi had theirs little duel with shuriken barrage, but ok, minato can definitly hit itachi with kunai
Originally Posted by Deepak5191
I don't remember stating that actually. I simply stated that the Sharingan allows one to predict one's movements. The differences between predicting movements and reacting to them are substancial. Predicting means you know what move will be made before it's attempted. Reaction time means after you know what movement is being made, you're fast enough to dodge.
Thus, Sasuke had both the ability to predict Raikage's movements beforehand, and then the reaction time to dodge once he knew where his opponent was aiming.
Minato has reaction time enough to react to attacks coming to him, ofcourse. Just not attacks of Raikage's speed. Without Hiraishin ofcourse. With Hiraishin, there's almost nothing that could hit him. Almost.
BTW, you think I have some special investment in holding on to Hashirama winning. I don't. I couldn't possibly care less than I do right now.
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So... about the secret organization... I have a proposal *chapter end* ( LOl villain building)
I'm waiting for the fight,MINATO VS NAGATO. I would have loved to see it in the manga!
Minato and nagato is definitely going to be a good battle.
Itachi vs raikage is going to be lopsided because people love itachi and hates raikage :/. Based on his speed, raikage would have an edge over itachi. But itachi is cunning. THat is a closer match then most would think
Originally Posted by Raizen
Sasuke fought Raikage to a draw and he was slower than Itachi, had inferior Genjutsu, had a FAR inferior Susanoo, and was bloodlusted.
Itachi would stomp Raikage. And admittedly, I think his Tsukuyomi would work on Raikage, as it's more powerful and instantaneous, unlike Sasuke's. Then again I can't prove it's fast enough to overwhelm Raikage's rapidfire synapses, but I've got reasonable doubt.
No, i am just reading the manga... Perhaps you should to... Or do you belive JMan was refering that Hanzou could take the sage of 6 paths to?Quote:
At that point JMan had no information about:
Madara, Pein, Zetsu. Perhaps some more i am not going to over analyze it.
Sasuke was not on that level as of then, Naruto no way and so on. What he stated in the contexet of the Manga makes perfect sense. If Minato was alive and JMan stated that i could understand it but as it is it makes perfect sense. Hanzou was one of the top level shinobi in the manga (or so the manga implies).
Now again let me ask you who could take Hanzou at that time and ONLY use information JMan would have acces to at that time (ignoring Pein). Also considering the little we know about Hanzou's techs i am really curious how you would do that. Now perhaps you can actualy debate and give me a answer and not just some irrelevant quote tring to disprove my argument with insult in a sense(i am twisting the manga for my needs). So again you whant to debate fine but post something that actualy has arguments in it.
Oh yes even so JMan's argument is proved as false (that Hanzou can beat anyone in 1vs1) in the same sentence with the Pein beat him part, JMan just states he finds it hard to belive he lost in a 1vs1. Hanzou from JMan point of view was a beast. Nagato and Konan also belived nothing and nobody could beat Pein and that also was proven false later. Even the fact that Nagato is a God and was proven false later. When you take a statemant take it with the context of the story.
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