It seems that madara wanted world domination even at that point but it doesnt seem that he had the Moons Eye Plan until after he learned of the story of the sage of the six paths.
I think Tobi was more focused on getting revenge on Konoha and destroying it as opposed to just capturing Kyuubi. Konoha would be one of Tobi's strongest enemy so he may have wanted to get rid of it as soon as possible as well. He may not have really cared about the Juubi thing or knew about Rikudou Sennin's story at the time.
Despite him wanting peace, he's still willing to have Sasuke and Naruto fight. He wanted revenge against Konoha, and took revenge on Uchiha. He also wanted to kill Hashirama after he became hokage. I extremely doubt Tobi's want for peace.
Well the story couldn't be what it is if naruto was captured 16 years ago. For purposes of the plot madara has to be an idiot.
Madara's plan is to attack konoha and then put the blame on uchiha clan that residing on konoha for a long time so that he can collect their eyes (maybe) madara has a lot of researching to do thats why when he is in the land of mist he came up of the moon eye plan (wait so the controlling of the mizukage is when the attack of konoha ended? or before he attacks it? )
I had this question in my mind for such a long time. I would like to discuss it with you to get a reasonable hypothesis. Well look after the moment Jiraya understood that akatsuki is hunting bijuus, Itachi and Kisame could capture Naruto but didn't. This we can explain by Itachi being a good guy.
Then other akatsuki members like Kakuzu and Hidan just failed.
And recently Tobi made it clear that for him this is a priotity number one to capture Kyuubi, probably after Kisames scroll he has put Killerbee in outsiders group. He sent Kabuto to capture Naruto, he made it clear that Sasuke will go and capture Kyuubi, but I wonder why hasn't he done it himself? He could hav warped Naruto to other dimension, and then sucked his chakra with white zetsus and then extract Kyuubi like he did with Kushina. he could have done it before when Naruto was a child,
I understand that the order is important, first you gotta seal one tail, then two tails then three and so on, but still he could have captured him and hold him as a hostage somewhere in the other dimension,
I wonder is it because of his moral code and mentality? He made it clear that he thinks that it is destined battle of Naruto vs Sasuke, the battle of Will of Fire and Hatred...
From the other side, maybe Kyuubi was underestimated, we still haven't seen it's full strength, and even Kabuto said that he didn't want to die by trying to capture Naruto, maybe there is more connection to Kyubbis respect to Naruto as beeing its host for such a long time....
What do you think?
Dude, that's one of the questions I've had for a while now. At first, Madara wanted to capture Naruto and it seemed silly because he could have done it sooooo, sooooo many times. But then he said that he wanted Naruto to fight Sasuke, so I figured maybe that was the case before and he just never mentioned it.....but then suddenly, he was ready to go get Naruto himself......
I think the problem is, personally, that the cat is just too hax. He can do what he wants and in order for there to be a story, sometimes he doesn't do what he can.
Remember that time Kabuto showed up at his lair.....He went running up the embankment to attack Kabuto.... Think about that for a second.......He can teleport around so fast that he gave Minato fits, Kabuto comes bustin' into his lair and he chooses to run at him? And we found out that his genjutsu works. So how he didn't just immediately enslave Kabuto when he started talking trash is also a mystery.
I'm accepting that the war is some sort of distraction, but as far as getting the two jin, it's like he doesn't really care.....except when he does....and then he doesn't.
I hope someone stops by with a good explanation, 'cause I can't think of one.
maybe tobi is just a badass. this is the same guy who went up to the 5 kages told them his whole plot to take over the world and then ask if they would hand over the 8 and 9 tails
Yes, exactly, why wasn't Naruto captured before?
Naruto being for example three year old might have been easily captured, Madara could simply warp into the Village, grab him, escape, and raise Naruto acording to his plan. Nothing was in madara's way.
Now the Naruto/Sasuke destiny seems to me like new event. Something, that has grown up up and is important for madara now, but at those time, i doubt Madara predicted something like this.
Instead, madara is Ridiculously letting naruto to become so badass that he will be unstoppable. Why is Madara doing such a stupid thing? I really don't know.
Simple. It's the exact same reason he didn't bother himself with Gaara, Bee, Yugito, or any other jinchuriki. It's not his job. He's given the Akatsuki a clear purpose, and it's their job to bring in the jinchuriki.
I'm sure Madara has bigger plans he's working out. If you ask me, I think he was more focused on staying out of Itachi's sight and working on his plans for Akatsuki and researching up for information. Let's not forget that Itachi was still a major threat to Madara at this time, and that Itachi's assignment was Naruto. Madara would be far more focused on remaining out of Itachi's way than getting in his way.
Besides, I'm sure he was working out the small details for Tsuki no Me and busy growing out Zetsu or something.
If Itachi was a serious threat to Madara, It wouldn't make any sense for him to put Sasuke through all that hell when he could have just killed Madara.
Danzou was scared to death of Itachi. Madara was just goofing off doing whatever he wanted and letting Itachi be so he could let their family drama play out and then welcome Sasuke to the dark side. According to Madara, it played out just like he had anticipated.
And about the Itachi note, I beg to differ. Madara only took the guise of 'Tobi' to allude Itachi that Tobi was Madara. Itachi did try to kill Madara, but it's obvious that Madara was too good at hiding and staying out of his way that Itachi never got the chance to locate and kill Madara after they met up to massacre the Uchiha. Madara himself noted that Itachi did not know everything about him, and that if he did he would not be alive. Madara recognized Itachi as a threat, and hid in the shadows until his death (after Itachi's death he came out into the open and told Kisame and everyone else [including the entire world] that he was Uchiha Madara).
Therefore, it is safe to say Madara was trying to avoid Itachi. He didn't want to kill Itachi because he needed Sasuke to have a goal and kill Itachi so that the truth would sting him that much more, but he didn't want to be available at Itachi's disposal to be easily taken out.
because then we wouldnt have a plot going on . editors are even scarier beings than the juubi with mangekyou rinnegan 10 tomoe+10 celestial gates
there is no way tobi can ruin the editors' plot by running his own plot on an early schedule
But yeah, that also is a major reason Naruto wasn't captured beforehand. Besides, I think Madara had better things to do at the time. He was more worried about kicking off Akatsuki and finding members for it, I'm sure. It must have been relatively small at the time.
What do u mean Itachi didn't know who Tobi was? of course he knew who he was. When he found Madara those years before he killed the clan, Madara was wearing a mask with one eye, same thing he was wearing today, this ain't superman/clark kent put on a set a glasses and no one knows. It is obvious that Itachi and Madara had a deal to leave the Kyubbi alone for a time.
I was thinking a while back that the reason the 4th gave Naruto the Uzumaki name was to throw people off of who Naruto was. Maybe it worked too good because most villagers didn't know who the boy was, therefore if they are in a genjutsu they can't spill the beans.
But it was shown that the adults in the village blame him for killing family and friends, so they know he is the carrier of the 9 tails now.So I go back to a deal Itachi made with Madara probably the 3rd told him to add that in his stipulation to leave the village and Naruto alone as long as he is alive.
Last edited by DaoneLuffy; March 28, 2011 at 09:18 PM.