Errr, if she's sealed then the only person she gets passed with ease is Renji. Ikkaku puts up a good fight if he goes bankai right away, tough decision. Hiyori, Mashiro, and Lisa stomp, as do all the captains.
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Bankai Renji- Halibel stomps. Even with bankai, he barely defeated a fraccion to his own admittance
Bankai Ikkaku- Halibel owns. Same here, barely beat a fraccion with his bankai
Masked Shikai Hiyori- Halibel- Big-mouth-flat-chested-shortie get slaughtered
Masked Shikai Lisa- Halibel wins. A VC is ultimatelly VC
Masked Mashiro- Halibel clear its
Shikai Mayrui- Halibel. Although mayuri's shikai is potentially dangerous, chances of him hitting halibel is really low. Furthermore, mayuri is not the close combat person and halibel excels in it.
Shikai Komamura- Halibel. Her CQC skills to me is more impresive than hitsu. But koma would be harder to bring down that mayuri
Shikai Byakuya- This would be a close match. I may be biased so I am going with Byakuya. He smart and very well rounded. His combination of kido and speed may be enough to take down halibel. Though hard. But he needs to try to limit CQC because i think in that field, halibel has shown greater strength
Shikai Soifon- Another tough one. I will go with halibel 6-4. Soifon is a close ranged fighter... something halibel excels in. Can soifon get in her 2 hits, sure. Will it be more often than not?... eh. Halibel has shown great reflexes and she's quick too.
Patched/1-hand Kenpachi- Kenpachi. Again, since halibel is a CQC type fighter, she will begin with that. Bad news for her, kepachi is dangerous in that field. And in her base form, she has not shown any water techniques.
Shikai Rose- Halibel- a whip won't be able to catch someone quick like halibel. And once he misses and she goes for close combat, he is screwed
Shikai Kensei- Halibel with her huge shark sword would beat kensei with his little jack-knife. Sure he has projectile in that form, but i take hitsu's projectile as faster and halibel dodged those
Shikai Love- Close match- I will go with halibel with a tough match. I think even if he hits her with his shikai, it will do very little damage. Starks took on a hit from love with his mask and shikai and starks was not even injured. Also, love is a relatively stupid fighter. He doesn't think before he attacks. Halibel on the other hand, has shown some analytical abilities
Shikai Ukitake- I'd say ukitake wins based on hype and the fact that he is around shunsui's level. His shikai ability won't be helpful here. But he is considered to be a skilled swordman. With 2 blades will give him the edge over halibel.
Shikai Shinji- Shinji wins but with an extremely hard battle. His shikai will give halibel a tough time. In terms of sheer power, halibel dominates him. But i think shinji can pull out a close victory
Shikai Shunsui- SHunsui wins. His shikai is dangerous. Even in his sealed stated, he can actually beat halibel since he was able to fight on par with starks unreleased. If he uses his shikai, it only makes him win faster
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-How is Ikkaku's Bankai better than Renji's against Halibel?
-How do VC's with masks stomp?
Halibel in her sealed state was outplaying and completely unimpressed with Hitsugaya in his Bankai state:
I don't see how she gets stomped by anyone in the first set. Even some of the better captains would have difficulty dealing with her with only Shikai.
The VC are fodder for her even the vizard ones. Lisa and Hiyori only feared because it was 3 vs 1 and they surprised her. The captains would be different....Byakuya, Soifon, Kenpachi, Shinji, Soifon, Ukitake would all beat her IMO....The others have a chance but i think she can take them
By the way, Bankai Hitsugaya isn't stronger or faster than Shikai Hitsugaya. His CQC skills remain the same as well; the power Hitsu gains is in the form of more deadly zanpakutou abilities. Further, the power of Bankai abilities depends on the strength and training of the user, hence why Renji and Ikkaku having Bankai still doesn't put them at the level where they can truly compete with a captain; the Bankai that Renji and Ikkaku have access to is not only not mastered due to them still needing more training, but it is also weak (in comparison to the Bankai of a Captain level opponent) because Renji and Ikkaku are still not very strong in terms of base power (they still don't have an easy time against fraccions even with their Bankai). If they can increase their base power, their Bankai will also become stronger.
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Dude come on, this is SEALED Harribel here. I don't know if you noticed but arrancar gain pretty huge boosts going from sealed -> resureccion. If Lisa can fight sealed on even grounds with released Harribel for several minutes, with her shikai and mask she should dominate her sealed. I also think Hiyori is somewhere near Lisa's level (though perhaps not quite as skilled).Quote:
Well, Toushirou wasn't really going all out at that point; we've already seen that he is indeed capable of handling her when she's released so obviously he himself could stomp sealed Harribel.Quote:
I thought sealed Halibel was actually quite impressive. I also don't think Lisa was in any way fighting on even ground with released Halibel, she just wasn't all that serious (and likely drained from getting hit by HH)Quote:
Considering after releasing the fight just became a game of throw attacks at each other and watch them fail due to conflicting elements, I don't think that's true. We already saw her knocking him around, granted, we didn't see him use tons of ice techs either, but at least in terms of sword on sword fighting, she was superior. After her release, they stopped with the actual sword fighting, I think there's a reason Hitsugaya didn't try to close the gap.Quote:
Interesting match up. I am going to tackle this one strictly based on what we know from the manga and the databooks (both are cannon):
I will start by listing what we know from the manga (= means more or less equal in terms of power +/- 5% difference)
Bankai Ichigo = Sealed Grimmjow (HM Battle)
Patched/1-Hand Kenpachi = Sealed Nnoitra
Bankai Hitsugaya < Sealed Harribel (Harribel was clearly stronger)
Base Shunsui = Sealed Starrk
Based on that,
Bankai Renji - Harribel takes this one easily. Bankai Renji => Sealed 8th Espada
Bankai Ikkaku => Harribel oneshots. Bankai Ikkaku met his match against a Numero
Masked Shikai Hiyori => Harribel wins easily. (100% Grimmjow = Masked Shinji) > (Masked Hiyori = Masked Lisa)
Masked Shikai Lisa => Harribel wins easily. See above.
Masked Mashiro => Harribel wins. WW oneshot her rather easily
Shikai Mayrui: Harribel Wins (No preparation time or knowledge for Mayrui)
Shikai Komamura: Harribel Wins (Bankai Komamura is pretty much fodder, let alone Shikai)
Shikai Byakuya: Harribel Wins (Shikai Byakuya < (Bankai Ichigo = Sealed Grimmjow))
Shikai Soifon: Harribel Wins (Harribel comfortably overpowers her)
Patched/1-hand Kenpachi: Harribel Wins (Patched/1-hand Kenpachi = 5th sealed Espada)
Shikai Rose = Harribel wins. Vizard captains cannot use mask. Shikai Rose/Kensei/Love/Shinji = 5th-6th Espada range since Sealed Masked Shinji = 6th Espada, and IMO, Mask > Shikai
Shikai Kensei = Harribel wins. See above.
Shikai Love = Harribel wins. See above.
Shikai Ukitake: Ukitake = Shunsui more or less; Shunsui = 1st Espada. Ukitake wins
Shikai Shinji = Harribel wins. See above.
Shikai Shunsui: Shunsui = 1st sealed Espada. He takes it.
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Ichigo's Bankai is special in that it does specifically make HIM faster, but it was explained that that was what his Bankai does for him besides the black GTs. Additionally, Grimmjow--after fighting shikai Ichigo and then fighting him in Bankai--even noted that Ichigo's Bankai only increased his speed.
Furthermore, another example is Ikkaku. Ikkaku's Bankai does not give him any kido based special abilities nor does it increase Ikkaku's speed or defensive capabilities. His Bankai specifically just increases his destructive capabilities.
Again, Bankai does not give a general boost to all of the user's stats. And based on what we've seen, we know that Hitsugaya's Bankai ability is in the form of more deadly ice techniques. Hitsugaya's strikes are not faster in Bankai; he doesn't get a speed boost like Ichigo's Bankai because that's not what Hitsugaya's Bankai ability is based on what we've seen. It wasn't outright stated that Hitsugaya's Bankai doesn't increase his base stats, but I very highly doubt that his Bankai has the ability to increase his stats on top of all the ice techs that his Bankai gives him. Besides, Hitsugaya also never really showed any increase in physical strength or speed when going into Bankai either nor did Hitsu ever mention that his Bankai had such an ability. And considering the fact that the Bankais of other Bleach fighters do not increase all their stats, I think it's pretty safe to say that Hitsugaya's Bankai doesn't increase his base stats either...
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She clears but has some troubles with bankai Renji and Ikkaku I believe, along with Mashiro.
Shikai Mayuri- She defeats him with low difficulty. Basically speed, strength, power and Reiatsu advantage. If Mayuri had prep it could have been possible but with none he loses.
Shikai Komamura- I see Harribel winning this with mid-high difficulty. Those body parts should not be understimated along with Koma's physical power and Durability/Endurance.
Shikai Byakuya- Byakuya wins this with high difficulty. Only reason I say high difficulty is because, well, his shikai really sucks and is lacking but much similar to his base bankai I believe it all works the same and with that add in Superior speed (imo), and kido it's all in his favor.
Shikai Soifon- I could see this going either way tbh.
Patched Kenpachi- The same as above although in a straight cqc fight Harribel will get overwhelmed easily.
Shikai Rose- Harribel should be able to win this. Rose's shikai while versatile can easily be dodged and countered with a regular katana, it's the sonata she will have to be aware of, which I'm sure with her analytical skills she should be capable.
Shikai Kensei- Kensei wins. His style of fighting is just brutal and with an exploding Tachikaze, yeah Harribel would get destroyed after several energy blasts.
Shikai Love- I don't see how he's going to win unless he literally beats her to death with Tengumaru and Hifuki no Kodzuchi.
Shikai Ukitake- should win just based on the hype scale.
Shikai Shinji- takes this with low difficulty.
Shikai Shunsui- takes this with low difficulty as well.
Well I didn't think she was that impressive.Quote:
Both of which are nothing more than your own unsubstantiated opinions. Harribel looked serious to me, and she didn't seem drained either. I could just as easily argue that Lisa wasn't fighting seriously either. In fact, I'd have a much more valid case because for the majority of their fight Lisa was sealed as opposed to in her released state (unlike Harribel).Quote:
Read Jacck's posts; Toushirou going shikai -> bankai isn't going to improve his sword fighting skills in the least. It gives him access to bigger, better ice attacks but that's about it. Well, I guess you could argue his defense is increased too because of all the ice surrounding him. What does this have to do with Lisa, who's clearly superior in CQC, blitzing and impaling sealed Harribel?Quote:
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