I also think Yamamoto doesn't need RJ to defeat Barragan because apparently his kido skills are top-notch and IMHO multiple high level hado would eventually defeat Barragan. I think Yamamoto has the speed to dodge respira and he can also use barriers to stop the respira.
Or, who are weaker than Aizen, who's weaker than Yamamoto. Same difference
As far as reiatsu, Barragan's was not great enough to overpower the strength of Soi Fon's Bankai and mitigate its damage. So his reiatsu isn't out of So Fine's league apparently.
I also see no reason to believe any Espada has reiatsu comparable to Aizen
Agreed, unless you're using a certain number of ">" these to emphasize your point, in which case I'd say you need more =/Quote:
Completely False. Unless you believe the 2nd shot of Soi Fon's Bankai contains more power than Yamamoto's Ennetsu Jigoku, which Yamamoto completely tanked whereas Barragan had part of his skull blown off by So Fine's missile.Quote:
Since I'm pretty confident Yamamoto's shikai can dish out far more power than Soi Fon is capable of, I'm also sure Yamamoto would survive being hit with her Bankai and keep walking
So I'd say Durability: Yama > Barragan
Time Dilation is conscious. If Barragan can't react fast enough to activate it, then he's gonna get blitzed every time.Quote:
I doubt he could keep up with Yamamoto's speed enough to initiate TDF to avoid being punched to pieces a la Wonderweiss
Even if he could, it won't save him. Soi Fon's kick was only slowed down, not stopped, and it came dangerously close to reaching Barragan
Yamamoto punches with almost exponentially more force than Soi Fon kicks with, so he'd literally just go right through it
Completely disagree. I guess that's an opinionated matter though, and seeing as you used more than one of ">" those, I guess you are using the signs as some sort of measuring stick?Quote:
As has been said, Yamamoto has no need to hold Barragan in place to use EJ. He held Aizen in place and used it because he needed Aizen to stab him to recognize the reiatsu in his blade as his own to be sure it was himQuote:
Thing is, EJ is definitely not needed to destroy Barragan. Yamamoto can do so barehanded
Sure, Respira's deadly, however, Yamamoto can easily counter everything about it.Quote:
It travels fast? Hacchi could react to it quite well. Omaeda could dodge it. Soi Fon was only caught because she wasn't going full speed to evade it since she had no knowledge.. Never had that problem again
Even if you believe it to be faster than Soi Fon, that has no bearing on Yamamoto unless there's some type of proof that he's only as fast as Soi Fon =/
The flames of Ryujin Jakka would roast Barragan alive, and nothing he has in his arsenal can save him. How does Barry escape if Yama creates a Fire Prison and then decides to collapse it on Barragan? Not much he can do considering Yamamoto can consistently create these flames faster than Barry can hope to "age" them (Which he apparently can't do given his feats against So Fine)
But as I said, I believe Yama wins barehanded. A punch or 2 is all thats needed to put Old Man Barry in the ground, and he shouldn't have nothing more than mid difficulty doing so
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Just want to point out that the respira used on Omaeda was specifically said by Barry himself to be slower. Anyhow carry on guys.
This is difficult but IMO they both even. I don't think Yama can reach Barragan with any hand to hand combat because of the 'Time" ability... so far what can i saw that no one can touch barragan physically except with kidou or long-ranged type of power.
I guess they will fight with fire & Aging ability which is something i don't know which one is greater. If Barragan not so arrogant i do think he will wins against all the captain level. His ability is to unique and undefinable, at least to me.
I don't really buy the whole "large difference in Reiatsu means the stronger character can neutralize all of the weaker character's abilities" argument - Gin
killingalmost killing Aizen somewhat contradicts this.
after EJ had been activated, which leads me to believe it is initially escapable.
I agree Barragan couldn't age the flames faster than Yama could produce them, but I think Barragan could tank/slow his weaker attacks, while chasing Yama with Respira. He only needs a single hit for it to be over.
I'm not criticizing your argument, the one thing is that it somewhat hinges on Yama being a lot faster than Soifon, which I just don't believe, so for now I'll still say Barragan wins.
Yamamoto wins this. Released Barragan is pretty dangerous, but this is Yamamoto, the Captain Commander who blew apart an Arrancar with his fists. Barragan would get the same treatment after his TDF is completely broken or overwhelmed by the flames. This is just a bare-handed Yama, Sealed Yamamoto takes this.
While barragan's abilties are powerful. It is only effective against those within his reiatsu skill level. Yama is a beast on a level all by himself.
Yama's flames would overwhelm respira and the king of HM would be reduced to ash.
REDUCE ALL CREATION TO ASH!!!
Yama takes this one.
Its been proven that Barragan has to age attacks before hand and there is a limit to how much he can age before it reaches him.
Yamammotto's shikai in my opinion could easily overwhelm him and respira considering it HUGE attack radius and power and how easily Yama can dish it out and how fast he dishes it out.
For this fight I can totally see Yama putting Barry in a fire prison and spamming his shikai into the fire prision completely burning barry to a crisp.
Yama didn't cover the fire JUST from E-J, he covered the fire from ALL of Ryujin Jakka. ALL of the fire was sealed within WW, ALL of it. R-J was gone because the flames had been absorbed. Think about that, then how he still had enough strength to use a 90's level kido! No one stands a chance alone against Yama.
For him to tank such an attack shows how powerful and incredible his SP is. That level of SP would give him the possibility to negate respira or simply overwhelm barragan
Yama wins this. It's clear that Aizen was stronger than any of the Espada and Barragan was only the third strongest. And Yama is confirmed stronger than Aizen, so of course he takes Barragan while in Shikai.
Nowhere in that comment did I say anything you're implying. Why do people always do that? Instead of assuming I meant something, maybe you could ask? I was just adding to a statement made already. The durability was brought up- I mentioned that it was more than just 'an attack' Yama suppressed, it was a whole zanpakuto.
Please, next time don't read into the comment so far.
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WW absorbed the fire pillars and somehow by touching Yamamoto's sword prevented anymore flames to be released. I dont believe though that he actually drained all of Ryujin Jakka's power from the blade, just stopped anymore from being drawn...
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