Aizen with ease
Aizen with difficulty
Yama with ease
Yama with difficulty
Ukitake says that there is no being capable of replacing him, as in becoming the new Captain commander.
Aizen (after the fusion with the Hogyoku) becoming the new captain commander would be silly, he was the main villain after all.
That's nice and all but you chose to see it in a different light.
Last edited by cloudo; May 18, 2011 at 04:34 PM.
This isn't you seeing it in a different light, this is you blatantly ignoring facts, which is something like...half-truths fallacy. Yeah, this is the first time I've used logical fallacies in a month. That's how bad it is.
Your argument is essentially, "he's not replacing Yamamoto because one-armed Yamamoto is stronger." Unless you want to admit you didn't even read the very panel you were attempting to cite as evidence.
Last edited by CeroOskuraz; May 22, 2011 at 08:34 AM.
You chose 1 instance in the whole manga where Ukitake states not a being can replace him, you choose to view it as a statement only to signify no one can be CC, I argued theres more than that in his words. No one is of Yama's strength or caliber. No one can replace him. NO ONE being the key words. Only children find fault in how words are perceived. You're proving such by arguing a point that we all agree on. You're also telling us that those words only meant no one can be CC. I believe there's more to it than that. As has been brought up repeatedly in this very thread. Go on though, be argumentative on someone's POV- when all of us have one gotta love it when someone's take on things is 'blasted', but guys get away with the 'Urahara and Aizen are equals'- hypocrisy at it's finest.
Last edited by cloudo; May 23, 2011 at 03:14 PM.
What major role does Yamamoto have in Bleach?
Obviously captain commander,...
A mullet Aizen was able to destroy an object that was considered to be impossible to destroy by reiatsu being
There's only one job/role that Yamamoto fullfills and that is being the Captain Commander, and no one can replace him for now.
Or are you forgetting the fact that Ichigo lost his powers and Aizen was evil?
The same culprits wherever you go. No one can disagree with someone, his take is WRONG, but the other is correct, that's why cloudo said POV- point of view. Why argue what you believe is true as gospel when the dude just said you look at it in a different light. In Japanese culture there is a reverence towards people and different opinions, even phrases have different meanings and can be interpreted in different light. Yet here in these forums, discussion on basically the same type of text is looked down upon because someone else has a different take on it besides you? This is why the Urahara statement was brought up. A few here couldn't be wrong about it, and tried to preach their opinion as fact. You're doing the same thing. IMPLIED right? Yama implied no captains have been Shunsui and Juushiro's equal. But that's up for debate, why? You can preach all you'd like, but the fact of the matter is Juushiro's words can be viewed as more than just 'no one can be captain commander'. If you don't agree that's fine, but to turn around and say things in the same light regarding other characters, and base your findings on your OPINION of the statement, while saying what cloudo said was wrong- is hypocrisy.
There is a difference. The statement made about Urahara, and to an extent the statement made by Yama about Shunsui and Ukitake, are open to interpretation.
However, to say that Ukitake's comment about Yama implies that Yama is more powerful than Aizen in any form is ludicrous. Aizen was the primary antagonist of the entire manga. CeroOskuraz gave 3 very good reasons why Aizen would in fact be essentially the worst possible candidate for CC, yet you still want to argue that his unsuitability for the position is based on Yama's superior strength? That's beyond clutching at straws... it's pure fabrication.
Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy and kind of forgot.
Anyway back then Tousen was a budding shinigami, if Koma really could still hide his presence from Tousen in his fight in FKT why didn't he try. I think it's fair to assume Tousen has improved his skills since. Also by the time Yama was facing Aizen, Aizen was the only person that was moving so it couldn't have been impossible to sense his reiatsu. Aizen realised Yama's zan could be a problem so he created wonderweiss, Yama could have at least consulted with the 12th division and prepared something(like for instance, remove your real organs like Mayuri did, though this might only be exclusive for Mayuri). In reality, Yama was probably too proud to ask for anyone's help.
Last edited by HaouLelouch; May 27, 2011 at 10:14 AM.
It's all good, I'd actually forgotten we were even talking before :PQuote:
I'd imagine it's exclusive to Mayuri, he's modified his body so much that such a switch would be relatively easy, I doubt it's the same for anyone else.Quote:
All in all, I'm sure there's always MORE Yama could have done, but it all depends on what you're expectations are. My Tousen example was just to show that you can't always find someone with Reiatsu sensing, and clearly Yama, a guy adept in all areas of Shinigami combat would have tried that. After all, Reiatsu sensing is the one "sense" that is not fucked up by KS, but if Yama was unable to do so without provoking him and taking one for the team, I'd imagine it just wasn't possible.
Doesn't the jewel grant him immortality? Aizen wins on that technicality...
Lol thanks cero oskuras for making my day, your rebuttal to the no-one can replace yama 'argument' was truly hilarious.
Last edited by freshseth83; May 30, 2011 at 05:58 PM.