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The Espada win both scenarios
The Espada win scenario #1, but not scenario #2
Soul Society win both scenarios
Round 1 is tough..Shunsui can take any of the espada except probably Barragan who would be tricky if he fights him at a distance...But i think that Shunsui would be able take him. The problem then is who will deal with Starrk....I cant see any of the captains dealing with him. Maybe Ukitake but if Starrk did release 1000 ceros could he dodge them? And can the wolves be absorbed. Round 1 would be very close. Captains would have experience on their side but the espada had some fearsome abilities....I think round 1 would be a tie or maybe it would go to the espada.
Round 2 definitely goes to SS..Yama alone could probably take 1-6 b y himself. Add Kenpachi, Shunsui, Byakuya and Soifon and its pretty easy for SS...
Yea, I'd be surprised if Yama's kidou even came close to Hachi's kidou. Besides, no matter how strong it is, it still ages and respira ages it at a fast pace.
Last edited by Plyr88; May 24, 2011 at 12:43 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I'll respond to one post at a time if you don't mind Shoot to Kill.
Deal with wolves and cero? The same way Shunsui dealed with the wolves and the ceros when Shunsui and Stark fought round 2? Oh wait, Stark didn't use either of them against Shunsui.
Because some of Shunsui's shikai abilities were not working at the time, something that you've conveniently left out.
And what's wrong with using his bankai? That's part of Shunsui's power, nothing cheap about that.
When Hitsugaya started to lose in CQC, he made the smart move of turning it into a long range fight. Hitsugaya would get crushed up close huh?
Oh will you look at that? That's Hitsugaya dodging a released Harribel's sword attack.
Let me show you something else that's interesting, a panel of Harribel taunting Hitsugaya to fight her in CQC. Now why would Harribel taunt Hitsugaya to fight her in CQC, it's because she can't actually make Hitsugaya fight her in CQC, she's incapable of doing so. Also, why would Harribel insist on sending long range attacks when they were pretty much all useless, when she knows that she can defeat Hitsugaya in CQC? It's because she can't force him to fight in CQC because she's not strong enough. So really...what you're saying is just complete and utter nonsense.
Good for WW. That still doesn't change the fact that Hitsugaya is stronger than Harribel and that you're wrong.Quote:
Wait so let me get this straight? Byakuya is apparently the perfect counter to Zommari, yet Barragan who has an ability that makes a CQC fighter like Soifon pretty much useless, yet you don't bring this up when you claim that Barragan was superior to Soifon.Quote:
Wow...double standards if I ever saw them.....seriously I can smell the obvious bias coming from you....
Byakuya killed Zommari because he was stronger than him just as how Barragan was stronger than Soifon, deal with it and stop making lame double standard excuses.
Lol, in other words, both Mayuri and Kenpachi were stronger than there opponents. Nothing new.Quote:
Lol, so basically the fact that you got to make changes and stuff pretty much admits that you're wrong. Nice concession brah.
That's nice. Too bad I never said anything about SS winning therefore what you're saying here it totally irrelevant.
Last edited by Calisto; May 24, 2011 at 04:22 PM.
If no plot devices or stuff then espada maybe both rounds imo.
round 1 is stomp by barragan,starrk and harribel. maybe yammy full 0 release.
only threat in round 2 is yamma but with WW to seal his zan he loses alot of his killing power. starrk could win him then .
imo espada win first easily
barely 2nd round
Excuse? What? You're saying the captains had no matchup/plot advantages whatsoever? It was damn near every fight.Quote:
.......That was my point, he'd have to deal with more shit than he did in his actual fight, and wouldn't have an easy backstab chance, thus changing the way the fight would play out.Quote:
He also had a ridiculous advantage in the color game because of the free back attack he got. I'm not the only one that think Stark is better than Shunsui, it all goes back to the "things would have happened differently" thing.Quote:
Also, I never said there's anything wrong with Bankai..
He dodged one swing after he attacked her while she was talking to Yama, that clearly means he's vastly superior.Quote:
I don't see how, Sealed Halibel was making Bankai Hitsugaya look like shit for one.Quote:
In her Sealed state she's completely unimpressed, it wasn't until her release that things became a stalemate, that much is obvious. Hitsugaya was in no way winning the fight prior to that.
He screams, ice shatters. We've already seen proof that it IS that easy for WW to do, and Halibel is fully capable of staying alive even after being in the ice for a long time.Quote:
Why don't we list ability advantages then? I'll list the ones with obvious counters for SS, and you can do the same for the Espada, we'll see which one wins overwhelmingly.Quote:
Yeah, that's right. Amor can take over body parts faster than Byakuya can move, but his win had NOTHING to do with SKY, just the fact that he was strongerQuote:
Mayuri had prep time to replace his goddamn organs, and happens to have a bottle of "make your immortality worthless" on him. Kenpachi thrives against other CQC fighters, there's a reason he doesn't fight effective long range opponents like say, Halibel, because he'd lose.Quote:
Did you not read what this fight is? It's a massive team battle, which means anyone can fight anyone.. I'm sorry for being so ridiculous as to suggest that it's unlikely that everyone will fight the opponent they did in the manga in somehow the same situation with the same results.
Do I have to quote you? Really? You had one post and made it perfectly clear how your logic works.Quote:
That's all there is to it. Doesn't sound like you were gonna follow up with anything else. Yet my words are irrelevant because you didn't specifically state that SS wins when it was heavily implied in one sentence? Please.Quote:
He wouldn't get any injuries from Grimmjow. He is shit tier, so Zaraki owns him, and helps out the others.Quote:
Grimmjow is a bad opponent for Kenpachi, he has ranged attacks and good speed, while Nnoitra was mainly a CQC beast.
Kenpachi would win but not without getting heavily injured, and lol @ claiming that Grimmjow couldn't hurt Kenpachi.
The logic used by some posters is baffling. I remember when the Byakuya and Zomari fight first came about. Zomari dodged all of Byakuya's attacks (even the sneak kidou attack through his haori) and Byakuya dodged Zomari's attacks (he barely dodged the last one as he had to use a replacement technique to get away while all Zomari used was his sonido).
So they dodged each other's attacks...yet Byakuya is faster? Uhm what? :lol
It also is funny that people think "oh, since this guy won in the manga, he would win 100% of the time in any other situation against that other guy."
If that were the case, when a sports team beats one sports team, why is it that there are times where the opposite happens and the other sports team wins?
But, this is moot as this is a brawl, not one-on-one. IT'S NOT THE SAME!
But ponder this scenario for a while:
***The battle begins. Szayel is behind his Espada comrades to buy him a few seconds in order to release...and then spray the whole flippin' field with his cloning goo. If he hits any of the captains...GREAT!! If he hits his Espada comrades...GREAT!! If it's only one group he gets or both, his side automatically gets stronger because they acquire more fighters.***
All I know is that Starrk would solo Yamamoto. I've seen nothing from the old man that would lead me to believe he'd survive 50 of the wolves. And before people bring up EJ, that was his own bloody attack. You'd have to be pretty fucking lame to get offed by your own technique (which he nearly did).