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http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v14/c126/3.html shows that they can be used as if they were shino himself - which I presume means being able to jump at Neji, throw Kunai at him, ect. The bit I'm not buying is the 'Neji can attack Shino while defending from the bugs'. As Shino has showed before, people can try and attack Shino, stop to clear out his bugs, and go back to attacking Shino, but Shino ends up surrounding them completely. With Neji having to fight off bug clones - he may tell them apart from the real Shino, but if you're being attacked by someone you can't just ignore them - and hold off the bugs, there's no chance for him to beat Shino before he runs out of Chakra and passes out...
Attacking and defending in the same time...that's true it's pretty tough...but that's why there's Kaiten is Neji arsenal, and he has a mid ranged attack as well...he needs to get in a decent position to strike down the real Shino...which I'm sure he can do...he doesn't have to go in for the close range kill from the start...the way Shino can wear him down, so can Neji with empty palm, or what was the name of that tech...
Not even mentioning the fact that Neji speed which is superior, which will put him in the advantage of securing better positions in order to strike...it's not an easy win I admit, because Shino's intelligence is really high level, but so is Neji's...I think Neji has the edge here...
Anyways, why u all always think shino is only gonna attack with Bug clones?! knowing fully what the kaiten heavenly spin can do.... One must be retarded to be like that. He saw the jutsu, he knows what it can do, Plyr88 Has told various ways in which that technique can be beaten, Swarm of bugs wave by wave and attacks, Neji CANT spin Forever.
Shino just has to wait or easily calculate the time it takes neji to stop spinning and a good swarm of kunais or explosive tagseals can best him, also i already stated that bugs can come from beneath him, and neji would never shake them of with kaiten if they are in the middle, has one of u though about hurricanes and their eye?
AND FOR GOD SAKE, there are a good bunch of Jounin who arent the brightest tool in the shed, and still they are jounin. AND KISHIMOTO Himself has stated that in the knowledge field Shino is way smarter than Neji
Worry not, in that fight against anko i was fully sure that people would vote for him, anko has a long streak of lost matches that destroyed her reputation
Nobody said he will attack with clones...clones are supposed to be a distraction, which won't work in Neji case...and he won't spin forever I know...that means Neji will attack, and he is faster than Shino, so he will be able to position himself to land hits...Quote:
The principle behind Kaiten is that a layer of chakra is formed on the body and that is extended and the spin adds to the defensive power and makes the blind spot disappear...which means that the bugs that crawl up in the middle won't survive...don't think of Kaiten as just an outer layer of chakra that is spinning...it is a compact area full with chakra...so the hurricane analogy doesn't work
What happens to Shino when Neji is the one who attacks first and gets to land hits...Neji can move with Kaiten as shown in his fight against his copy...can Shino keep up with Neji speed, when the area domination tactic fails...
I have the feeling that people who vote for Shino imagine this fight like it happened against Kidoumaru...Neji spinning and being static...but that's not really it IMO...I think Shino won't be able to keep up with Neji and his fighting style...and he won't be able to pin him down either
Last edited by benelori; June 17, 2011 at 02:40 AM.
He might be(i'm not sure about this but I guess you're referring to the DB) but he isn't considerably smarter from Neji from what we have seen. And which jounin might that be? Jounin is the highest rank before Kage so overall they should be stronger/better than a chunnin. Not that I'm basing off Neji's win on this but it's just that Neji have shown much more compared to Shino.
White Zetsu is very different to Shino's bugs. I'm not saying Shino's bugs will absorb anything thrown at them, I'm saying they'll survive anything Neji throws at them. I, for one, believe Zaku's blasts have seemed much more impressive than Neji's Full Body Gentle fist. And the bugs - and Shino, for that matter - seemed to take them easily. I think IF shino's bugs survive a Full Body Gentle fist, then he's won without a second thought. He can simply wear Neji down, since he can't keep up Byakugan/Empty Fist/Rotation forever...
And as for people saying Jonin means neji is stronger, look at Shino vs Anko. Hell, look at any Naruto/Sasuke fight. Look at Shikamaru vs Hidan. Basically, ranks no longer count for anything in Naruto. It's not like bleach, where you can't expect any VC to beat a captain. Ranks are thought of too highly, IMO. We've already had fights - not including Naruto - in which a lower-level class beat a much higher level class. Hell, even Konohamaru was able to beat a Pain Body - which I believe are all deemed at least Jonin/Missing-nin class. Ranks mean nothing. Shino and his family managed to fight Konan fairly evenly, which I think has to count for something. Even Choji - somebody currently deemed as one of the strongest Rookie 11 - almost got killed by somebody of the same strength when fighting one of Pain's bodies with his family...
I don't really think that people are saying that Neji is stronger because he is a jounin. But rather the fact that both Shino and Neji are somewhat close in age and have both taken the Chunnin exam together as well. So it's very likely that both could have undergo the jounin test unless only Neji actually qualified. In either cases, it would mean that overall, Neji is simply more worthy as compared to Shino to be a jounin.
So, that essentially means Nejis' one body blow is a last resort, very close range, defensive technique (I mean, come on, when else would he use it).
You've got to remember that Nejis' offensive techniques (gentle fist and the like) don't actually do the damage. It's the extra chakra in the opponents' system that causes the pathways of chakra to break, and become useless (much like how Shino blocked Zakus' wind holes).
His defensive techniques, on the other hand, focus on 360 degrees protection. The reason Hiashi was able to take out a group of sound nin in the invasion of konoha was most likely because they are dumbasses and just charged him straight on. From what I've seen, heavenly rotation acts like a wall, and what happens when we hit our heads on a wall.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-79-16/...hapter-74.html There we go
Anyways, on the note of Jonin selection, I'm fairly sure they said that Jonin are appointed (ie there is no Jonin selection assessment).
THEORY: And, the reason Shino isn't a Jonin yet, or at least my theory, because he's secretly a member of ANBU. Remember, ANBU members are appointed regardless of previous rank, and, I think, each is specially chosen for each individual mission (it would make sense). So basically, Shino kind of has to suppress his full capacity because he's an assassin (Aburame clan is best suited for these type of stealth, black operations missions). Again, this is speculation, but it's mainly so you'll stop bringing rank into this all the time, rank doesn't mean much here.
Makes sense, don't ya think?
Although, a issue we forgot to include is the fact that both would likely have a rough idea what the other can do, since their clans are well known.
And gentle fist and so on does deal damage. It deals internal damages to the organs and such.
I know rank doesn't mean much especially when we have Naruto who is still very much a genin. But my point originally was to proof that Neji isn't winning this due to his fandom only(as someone has said previously). As for Shino being Anbu, I doubt it since anbu members require to wear their mask and we have no sign at all regarding Shino being one. Even if Jounin are selected, it still shows that Neji is more qualified to be one.
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I'm not too sure about that. For example, Neji was clearly surprised how all the bugs are in Shino's body instead of him summoning them and all of the genins seems relatively clueless about the Hyuugas until Kakashi explained it if I remembered it correctly.