Superb! I liked every part of the tournament. It was flawless.
Good. I liked almost every part of the tournament.
Above average. There were more positives than negatives.
Below average. There were many bad moments although some good.
Bad. The tournament sucked on every level, not much was good about it.
Other (post reason)
Im looking from your example about the genjutsu where it able to think your oponents that he was already using his technique.. or should i say the same as itachi can make jiraiya think that he was already using his hair mane jutsu to defend himself whereas in reality his hair was just covered the half of his body.. but i found nothing..
If itachi can make jiraiya THINK that he was already used his hair mane jutsu to cover his body, don't you think itachi was already manipulating jiraiya's brain.? no.?
At least this shows that Jiraiya is capable of actually breaking someone out of Itachi's genjutsu Not that I'm saying he can easily do so in a battle or break himself out but at the very least it shows something about how capable Jiraiya is at this department.
So if jiraiya can't escape and it will lead him to his death then he's a pathetic and weak.. How come jiraiya, one of the sannin, who has a sage mode, trained by the two great frog, will be killed by someone who's a genjutsu user with ease.? Because oro or some genjutsu expert can't escape/can't do a thing and so is jiraiya.
So-called? It's a high level genjutsu, nothing so-called about it. The fact that Itachi didn't even try proves that he wasn't trying to fight Jiraiya but just pretend as if Jiraiya could beat him and Kisame. Tobi himself said Itachi went to Konoha to let Danzou and others know he was still alive. From what Itachi and Kisame showed, they could certainly take on Jiraiya.
Didn't Itachi make Deidara think he was already using his jutsu? Or reversed Kurenai's genjutsu onto herself? You probably found nothing because you're ignoring stuff and choose to not find a thing.Quote:
Genjutsu does manipulate brain, but Shisui's been renown as someone who could use genjutsu without the person being aware. Sasuke knew he was in Itachi's genjutsu when they had that genjutsu battle. If it was Shisui using genjutsu, Sasuke probably wouldn't have realized that. So far, shinobi can realize they were under genjutsu, but with Shisui they wouldn't be able to. I dunno where you got that genjutsu doesn't manipulate the brain....
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No one ever said he was weak or pathetic or dumb, it's just you saying that.
^I always find it amusing how enthusiastic fans become whenever discussing a showdown between Jiraya and Itachi (and, to a lesser extent, Sasuke (though I to agree that his loss to Jiraya was rather silly, considering even MS Sasuke is a bad matchup for Jiraya, let alone Sasuke with EMS (who will, presumably, be a match for even Naruto, once he has mastered his new powers))...
That being said, I have a question regarding Nagato. Since we know little and less about Nagato's physical prowess (i.e. Taijutsu, Speed, Strength) -- beside that he was wheelchair bound -- how are we supposed to infer his speculative physical talent with healthy legs in this tournament? Should we use his overall performance through his paths (or one in particular) in those areas to infer his physical capacity, or should we simply make an educated guess?
This is true. It doesn't make him trash. Hell, what happened when Jiraiya hit Animal, Hungry Ghost, and Human Realm with the Frog Song Genjutsu? They were paralyzed and then oneshotted. It's the same thing I'm saying with Itachi and Sasuke.Originally Posted by bhasty
Originally Posted by bhasty
Pein couldn't escape the Frog Song. Does that make him a loser? No. It makes him one of the most powerful ninja in the manga who just happens to fail against Genjutsu. Why can Pein fall to Genjutsu so hard/easily and no one says anything, but when we bring up the very real possibility of Itachi doing the same thing to someone that Jiraiya did we're automatically downplaying the opponent?
Pein was superior to Jiraiya, and Genjutsu swung the battle in Jiraiya's favor. Jiraiya could be superior to Itachi (he isn't) and Genjutsu would still swing the fight in Itachi's favor. It doesn't make Jiraiya trash. No one's saying he's trash, but we're not about to pretend his title as Sannin exempts him from the effects of Itachi's Genjutsu.
Nagato has speed feats: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v48/c447/4.html, http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v48/c447/5.html
wasnt there a pic of the finals contestants? where can i see it?
I found nothing, where it indicate that itachi can make jiraiya to think that he was already using his hair mane jutsu to defend himself whereas in reality he was just covering half of his body.
Agreed.. YOu never said that jiraiya was weak/pathetic/dumb. But from what i read from your assumption, you're indeed portraying/making jiraiya as an idiot, weak, pathetic and dumb.
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If itachi was just went to konoha just to let the elders know that madara was still alive, then why the heck he never use his high level of genjutsu on jiraiya the way he did on kakashi and kurenai.?
Itachi went to konoha not just only to let the elders know that madara was still alive but to capture naruto. if not, then he and kisame will not going follow or waste their time to follow jiraiya and naruto for their search mission..
Having done that, he needed troll kisame into believing that they were actually trying to capture naruto. So he tells him, well we cant really beat this guy even if we were to call for back-up, let me try something and if that doesent work then well just wait (A COUPLE YEARS LOL) for the next opportunity.
And again, no one is doubting that Jiraiya can't break out of genjutsu. People just assume that he can break out of lItachi's, despite the evidence that nearly everyone, most of whom are more capable of defending against Genjutsu than Jiraiya got raped by Itachi's genjutsu.
Not only Itachi but any genjutsu user can. Any genjutsu(well perhaps not all of them i am not sure) works by extending their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their target to control their minds chakra and thereby affecting their five senses. Its how genjutsu works.Quote:
Sakura was able to do the same thing (even if that old bat helped). As the other dude said its 1 thing to get out of genjutsu and another thing to get someone else out of genjutsu.Quote:
Now if Itachi uses Tsukiyomi (and he will) this becomes completly irrelevant. I would like to add that Itachi was able to place even Kakashi in a normal genjutsu and he has a sharingan (yes that was a clone but a clone is the same thing as the original).
Whatever JMan does he CAN'T brake out of Tsukiyomi... Made clear in the manga...
Face it JMan has 0 chanses of even making this a fight... Winning is out of the question.
If he does get out something like in Orochimaru case would happen the only diference would be JMan would be missing his head and not his hand like Oro.
PS. JMan NEVER showed the tools to brake genjutsu. Do post the links to the instances where he got out of genjutsu.
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No, they are completely different things. In order to break out of a genjutsu, one needs the circulation of new chakra or intense pain (IIRC). Breaking someone out of a genjutsu is infinitely easier than doing it yourself because you are the outside force either bestowing pain or a new chakra interference. When alone though, this becomes incredibly more difficult if not impossible for most shinobi. Though, if he was already in Sage Mode when Itachi tried to genjutsu him Ma and Pa could inject their chakra into him to break the genjutsu. But this is highly presumptuous as it requires that A) Itachi not try to genjutsu Jiraiya before he enters Sage Mode which is highly unlikely as it is often his first move and B) The genjutsu does not also effect Ma and Pa.Quote:
I have no idea why people belive braking someone else out of genjutsu = you can do it to yourself ... Makes no sense to me at all.