Superb! I liked every part of the tournament. It was flawless.
Good. I liked almost every part of the tournament.
Above average. There were more positives than negatives.
Below average. There were many bad moments although some good.
Bad. The tournament sucked on every level, not much was good about it.
Other (post reason)
On this page, Minato has mouth closed and he looks prepared for an attack.
On this page, you can clearly see his eyes have widened, his mouth is open, etc.
Naruto wasn't shocked the last time that Raikage came at him, but he had been shocked multiple times previously.
IMO the first time Minato was clearly surprised/shocked when Raikage attacked, but why are we discussing this? I mean, he did dodge Raikage's fastest attack, and while I don't believe that Kunai would own Raikage, once Raikage was tagged in his back, Minato could repeatedly use rasengan or some other sealing jutsu to eventually defeat Raikage.
As for Bee reacting: if Minato wanted, he could appear above Bee and put a Kunai in his brain before he could do a thing.
The reason why we are wasting our time discussting this is because some minato fan can't
not accept that he was shock, for him minato can never be shock or surprised he has to be cool at all times lol.
Talk about a cult follower
2. Sasuke activate his amaterasu just to depend himself. We don't know if it was his plan to counter raikage's speed or he just activate it by luck. If you found that sasuke was able to activate his amaterasu because of his reaction on raikage's speed then good luck. If you're going to analyze that scenario, sasuke was activate his amaterasu just to protect himself. Not because he has the reaction speed to counter raikage;s speed but it was clearly a luck, or should i say it was the best thing he should do at that moment without knowing that raikage was already at his back.
3. Sasuke can't follow raikage's movement at all.. Karin even stated that it's imposible for sasuke to follow raikage's movement,,
4. Teleporting is a speed.. Kishi already said that.. That minato's hiraishin is a speed. You can argue all you want but you're just stating your opinion, and im going to believe what kishi has been stated.. HIRAISHIN is a speed..
5. Honestly, you sound as if you're already seen the true speed of minato.. But im going to believe on raikage's opinion. That minato is much faster. Not by his hiraishin but it;s his actual speed.. Raikage knows how to counter minato's hiraishin and yet he called minato as faster than him.? It doens't make any sense.. We've just only seen their first encounter, so saying that minato doesn't show any speed is just a haters comment.. but anyway, it was your opinion though..
As to why we're discussing the initial shock, I think the initial point was to show that similar to how Minato reacted to the Raikage's fastest attack, Sasuke reacted to the Raikage's level 2 cloak + shunshin. So basically, he showed similar reaction speeds to Minato (although I think some people were making the argument that Sasuke's was superior...I am not making that argument), but that he couldn't move in a way to counter the Raikage since he doesn't possess an S/T tech that activates that quickly.
Last edited by jdw; August 07, 2011 at 08:24 AM.
You still don't get it lol. Sasuke can FOLLOW him with his eyes but NOT his body. Its the same as Minato. Sasuke's reaction times where good enough to replicate Minato's feat by using a instant jutsu, Amaterasu.Quote:
Ehem.. Read what Karin states:Quote:
Sasuke followed him with his eyes before disapearing behind him.. Yes he can follow him but not move his body fast enough to do shit about it. Karin states if Sasuke can't follow his movement and not follow his movement with his eyes... Its the same thing as Sasuke vs Lee in part one.Quote:
Its not opinion its fact. You problem is that you can't comprehend it. Minato used a instant teleportation move to get away and he never MOVED HIS BODY under his own power out of the way. This shows that his reaction times are only good enough to move in direct correlation with Hirashin. Because of this his reaction times and body moving speed (not activating a jutsu) is the same as Sasuke's. So in other words ignoring Hirashim is just as good at reacting to Raikage as Sasuke.Quote:
What Minato showed in the manga is his best up to the moment he shows better. Raikage never stated Minato is FASTER then him. You can't even comprehend Raikage's words. Those words have 2 posible meanings.Quote:
1- That Minato was faster then him.
2- That Minato was just as fast but now that Minato is dead he is the fastest dude in the world.
You don't even have a clear reference to back your words with.
I feel like the speed argument is just over semantics. Hiraishin moves Minato from Point A to Point B. In that sense, yes, it is speed. HOWEVER, it doesn't do this in a traditional sense. This is where the space/time aspect comes into place. Unlike a fast car or jet or indeed the Raikage when cloaked with the Raiton Armor, Minato does not physically traverse the distance between Point A and Point B. Teleportation does not function in this manner. Essentially, he exists at Point A, then suddenly exists at Point B. He doesn't travel between Point A and Point B. This is where xXan and others don't count Hiraishin as speed. For all intents and purposes, Hiraishin functions as a speed tech. Again, Minato uses it to move from Point A to Point B. However, it's a space/time technique before it is a speed technique, as it instantly places him at Point B.Quote:
It's sorta difficult to explain it in words, but essentially, Minato doesn't travel. It's not a "hater's comment," it's the truth. The databook itself says it's closer to a summoning technique. When Naruto summons Bunta, he doesn't physically move from the mountain to where Naruto is. He just appears. That's what Hiraishin is, a space/time technique. The way that Minato uses it enables it to be interpreted as a speed tech. Minato's reaction times are stellar as well, as he was able to react to the Raikage's speed to activate Hiraishin. He activates it twice in the time that the Raikage is attacking! That's probably Minato's best speed aspect; his reaction times are ridiculous. Hiraishin itself, however, doesn't function as a speed technique in the way that shunshin does. We've seen that other villages continued to refer to Hiraishin as a shunshin technique; this, coupled with Minato's use of Hiraishin, would be why it's referred to as part of Minato's speed. In a technical sense, it is a part of his speed; Minato uses it to perform high-speed combat that no other shinobi can replicate (unless Naruto is now moving at that speed). Hiraishin isn't speed though, that's why it's referred to as a space/time technique, that's why it's comparable to Kuchiyose no jutsu.
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If anything, isn't a straight-on attack easier to counter than one from another direction?
Edit: @jdw - Considering that Minato wasn't going saying anything, I guess he opened his mouth for the lulz then?
Last edited by UchihaHunter; August 07, 2011 at 08:37 AM.
Maybe minato was just look like he was shock by seeing how big the raikage's hand. And if minato's eyes was indeed a sign of being shock then itachi and sasuke was also in shock everytime they use their sharingan.