And in a fight secrets do tend to become revealed.
And honestly we haave no idea how strong Itachi actually was! He crushed Kakashi, He played with Orochimaru at his prime, and Danzou was scared of him. He must have been something special! That's why I do belive that Itachi would be strong maybe even fast and smart enough to know what to do against Madara's one trick! SUckering JUTSU!
Madara will probably come up with more tricks up his sleeve as the manga continues! but for now, he has not impressed at all with his fighting skills. yes he did fight a weak konan and fuu and torune!
We will have to wait and see! but for now! I say Itachi.. I cannot wait to see if Madara becomes as powerful as he should be!
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I don't think so. It was clear enough when he suckered in the first guy, but not here.Quote:
Assuming he actually suckered in anyone at that fight, aren't we? Assuming that he actually took a major part in it? And why would he actually know about Madara's powers, they didn't really go on missions together in Akatsuki, did they? (even if they did, Madara would be goofing around like he did before as Tobi. That as much is clear enough.)Quote:
It's not just one trick. Point invalid. And we actually have a good idea of what Itachi was capable of. Heck, you even named it yourself.Quote:
1) He hasn't impressed you at all with his fighting skills? Okay, but does that mean Itachi is better than him? Nope. It's your personal preference, not a manga fact.
2) Weak Konan? So, her going all out was weak. Weak enough to actually damage Madara, something many, many ninjas (including Itachi) failed to do.
3) Fuu and Torune weren't weak.
That's fine and dandy, personal preferences again. However, none are manga facts, sadly.Quote:
And then he actually explains what are those items capable of.Quote:
Ehh, "didn't stand a chance"? Without MS, he did pretty darn well. Arm Sasuke with EMS and pit him against MS Itachi, the fight will be tipped in Sasuke's favor no doubt. Since after all, that was the entire point of the fight. So therefore, I fail to see how Itachi is better than current Naruto.Quote:
Last edited by IChallengeYou!; July 19, 2011 at 09:46 AM.
It is clear enough Madara needs to make direct contact with someone to teleport this is not even up for debate. Even out of combat when the person is STANDING STILL:
There is not even 1 clear (not debatebele becaue Madara was not visible) instance (aside from the anime where it is irrelevant) where Madara teleports with no physical contact but we got a ton of evidence from Madara making all the effort in the word to touch a person for warping.
Itachi still has shadow clones (with crows) to figure out Madara's abilities. Madara's Izanagi probably doesn't last as long as Danzo's plus he only has two eyes to spare. Can Madara even use his EMS after using Izanagi twice? Both his eyes would be completely sealed and blind by then.
Basically, Itachi has more dependable ways to figure out Madara, and all Madara has to figure out Itachi is his intangibility.
The crow clones is an actual clones, which also cost Itachi less then a normal shadow clone and let him set up a diversion when defeated.
Edit: i found something on a wiki but nothing more lol. Where that wiki sugest the clone was used for the first time it looks to me like Naruto was in genjutsu and that is why he was seeing the clones.
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one to tell Sasuke where to come for their final fight and one to defend against Sasuke's attack and distract him. As for why it cost less chakra, that's because Itachi is forming the chakra over a bunch of crows instead of creating a whole new body from nothing.
According to this, it is classified as ninjutsu and seems to be more efficient than regular shadow clones. It is basically a shadow clone that uses less chakra plus crows as an added effect. Sasuke's sharingan couldn't tell difference between the real Itachi and the clones; therefore, Madara's sharingan shouldn't be able to either. Madara may have more experience with the sharingan, but his sharingan (besides MS/EMS) is no different than Sasuke's. He can train his eye techniques but not the eye itself.
Edit: I missed some of the posts up there while I was typing. >.>
If you compare Itachi's story about Madara and Madara's story about himself, the way Izuna's eyes were taken are different. The first was stolen; the second was offered.
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If I recall, Itachi was like, 21-22 and awoke his SHaringan around eight. Kakashi got his SHaringan around 12, and is about 31-32 right now. But experience isn't why ITachi owned Kakashi, it was because Kakashi wasn't prepared and was caught off guard, which Itachi can do to Tobi.
How is there no way? Danzou broke Tsukuyomi or Mangekyo genjutsu but got tricked by a simple genjutsu. Tobi can get too arrogant and be tricked by itachi like that as well.
Whatever, it's your opinion.Quote:
I'm saying despite being a genius, Tobi got tricked and got hurt twice, that one time he would have died if it weren't for Izanagi. Being a genius doesn't make you immortal to death. Tobi still has a chance of dying, just less so since he's a genius. My point is, even geniuses can get hurt and lose too.
He can warp only by touching. So far, we don't know if he can drop Itachi anywhere but his dimension.Quote:
Clearly you have no idea what reflexes mean either. If Sasuke did not have quick reflexes, he would have been owned by Killerbee's speedblitz and by Raikage's elbow. Being able to predict movements doesn't help if you can't react in time. Rock Lee vs. Sasuke proves this. Sasuke could see what Rock Lee was doing but couldn't react fast enough, thus he got owned. If Sasuke's speed was the same as it was against Rock Lee, but his Sharingan the same as it was against Killerbee, Sasuke would get speedblitzed because he wouldn't be fast enough to react.Quote:
Because he needs to react to the attack? If Itachi has fast reflexes, which he most likely does, then he could get away from being touched by Tobi or cut off Tobi's hand before the warp thingie starts.
If Minato and Konan could react while being warped, as well as Karin, I don't see why Itachi wouldn't be able to, especially if he's fast enough. Tobi would need to go back to his hideout to replace his arm, and Itachi could be dropped into another dimension, still alive.Quote:
Pulling at strings? Are you ignoring Tobi warping Sasuke and Karin to that other place, where Fuu and Torune probably were warped to and from? Until it is proven otherwise, it's safe to assume he can only warp people in that place. Plus, we don't know if Tobi can warp anywhere or needs to go to that dimension first. Maybe it's the same, he or someone else gets warped into that dimension before getting warped somewhere else.Quote:
Tobi warping into the dimension is pulling at string, but not warpin someone into the dimension. It's shown in manga. Prove otherwise if you can.
If Tobi gets the Itachi bunshin, he can be hit with the explosion. Though, it'd be hard to take Itachi by surprise, not even Sasuke was able to do it in Part I when Itachi and Kisame confronted Naruto; Itachi even managed to hit two of Naruto's bunshins without looking back at their last and final meeting.Quote:
And can you prove Uchiha had a lot of MS and EMS users or that Tobi even fought them? Training means nothing since Itachi's Tsukuyomi is pretty advanced. Itachi's Tsukuyomi on Kakashi was different from the one he used on Sasuke, if he uses the torture Tsukuyomi then I don't see how Tobi can break out of it. He's being mentally attacked, it'd be difficult for him to get out. While Itachi has Tobi in genjutsu, he can use a clone to attack Tobi.Quote:
Yes he does. Almost every time we saw him warp someone, he was touching them. THere is no clear picture of him NOT touching whoever he wanted to warp. He kept trying to touch Minato to warp him away, which I doubt he'd have bothered to do if he could warp without touching.
Don't care. I just don't wanna be accused of being a fanboy, especially when I actually make an argument, list reasons, and not blindly vote (whether my argument and reasons are good or not is based on who's reading it), unlike many that voted for Jiraiya. I'm even arguing for Itachi and Tobi, and I hate Tobi and love Itachi. But not like it matters since Minato or Naruto will win anyway.Quote:
1 thing is for sure. Itachi can't use MS genjutsu and kill Madara in that time as he would have done it already. If he could kill Madara after a long fight but he never tried as Madara could warp away and get peeps to help his but is another thing.