He is talking about A at that moment. He is speaking about A's reflexes as A is using Raiton no Yoroi. Although he wasn't at full power he was still in a state comparable of that to Minato because of Raiton no Yoroi which is specifically designed to speed up neural synapses and reflexes.
Minato was fast even outside of Hiraishin, his reflexes were shown to be superior to Madara's who has Sharingan himself. The fact that he could see and react to A's movement is a testament to how good his reflexes were. Also, comparable does not mean equivalent. Minato was shown to best A and A himself states Minato was faster.
So by your logic, if Minato doesn't have Hiraishin and A has Raiton no Yoroi it would be impossible for Minato to counter? That's fine and all but if you're taking Minato's Hiraishin out of the equation surely you must take A's Raiton no Yoroi out as well. You can't take a ninja's techniques away from him and then claim he wouldn't be as good without them because the same is relevant for anyone. Without Raiton no Yoroi A is not A, without Kage Bunshin Naruto is not Naruto, without his Sharingan Kakashi is not Kakashi etc etc. It's just silly.
Well, in any case if two people who fought were to attempt the same summon it wouldn't work. You can't summon something that has already been summoned, so I guess it would have to be a matter of who could summon faster. However that wouldn't guarantee the frog would attack as both users have an agreement.Originally Posted by DementedKirby
I say they just don't even bother trying to summon as it would be pointless because both can dispose of summons with Taijutsu in Sage Mode anyways.
How can you state that when Shi stated:
There is nothing to argue over. Minat was fast but his reflexes where NEVER showed to be above Raikage. Shi clearly stated base Raikage=Base Minato.Quote:
Not let's brake it down:
Never. Madara tagged him so 2 times. 1 with warp and second with chains. Its not even 1 event where Minato was faster(aside from ther ST trick) or has better reaction times.Quote:
After Raikage run some 7 meters or so. Minat was able to notice Raikage when he was 1 cm from his face after a 7 meters dash. This is not impresive. If Anything this shows Raikage raction times at that speed is way above Minato. If Minato reacted to it after Raikage barely moved that would be a completly diferent thing.Quote:
Speed =/= reaction times expecialy whent that speed is achived with a teleportation.Quote:
From the evidence we got that would be correct.Quote:
Not when we where comparing what we where comparing. Minato's hirashis is NOT improving his reaction times like raiton armour does. The point was that Minato could only dodge that because he could move out of the way instantly as anything aside from that would be a futile atempt.Quote:
I am not taking that out and state: RAIKAGE WOULD BEAT HIM EASY. I am just stating Hirashim is not increasing his reaction times and that is valid.
As a result of this if he never had a way to instantly remove himself from a place he would have no way to dodge Raikage with his natural speed and his given reaction times that are not close to those for Raikage with his raiton armour up.
Naruto strength is so big right now that, he would be battle of winning a fight against Jiraya plus an army of the most skilled frogs.
no trolling intended
but i think , just like bleach tournament , the final was fated ... we should have had a third tier with one match only : minato vs naruto
you guys proceed by popularity only . i swear , the moment i saw danzou beaten by garaa i stopped reading naruto tournament (until today when i was overwhelmed by curiosity)
Since the only defense i have about naruto being a tactical genius is that he is a tactical genius we are to say that he is not, please explain that fact in an at least decent manner coz im just hearing the same over and over "he is a tactical genius coz everyone understimate him" then everyone is awesome coz everyone is understimated it feels like the comment about Jiraya being weak to genjutsu coz he hasnt shown to be strong to them.
Chouji is a great shinobi since he doesnt know much jutsu and also Tenten, ino, SAKURA, and a lot of people.... AND oh yeah Kakashi is a dumb ninja since he knows a 1000 jutsu and is worthy to be a Hokage, but he is not a great ninja.
Please think a bit in my comments I am not Trolling
Im saying that jiraya has every tool to win against him coz he is not only a master in all he knows but age gave him experience, he has WAR experience so he knows what is to be in the real hard situations, also has real REAL tactical experience, he is a genius. Im seeing a lot of ways where Jman can beat naruto
And it seems like u are taking all that is said by kishimoto and not giving logic to it, TELEPORTATION?! is a speed ? u can be fast at doing it, but that does not make u FAST, give some brain to it. Even naruto can have a go at his dad and beat him with some of his jutsu and actually beat that "speed"
Im not saying those jutsu does not exist, but that they are creative ways to make a cut in a battle, base they are just 4, that subdivides into more. So think that Jman has been in much situation which give him ways to think in more creative ways to use all his jutsu in superior ways.
Not trolling but tell me the God Level ninja that naruto fooled with his henge
Pain, Naruto turned into a bunch of rubble and had 2 traps set. He also had henge'd into FRS earlier in the battle.
You need to go back and read that part of the manga, because Naruto did all of that whilst his chakra was out of whack. He was gimped in his fight against Kiba thanks to Orochimaru's Gogyō Fūin.
You also need to read the list and the manga again. Any Taijutsu Naruto performs, Kage Bunshin or not, is legitimate Taijutsu. There are multiple variations of Rasengan, and you cannot hope to attempt to argue that Kage Bunshin and Kage Bunshin are not separate jutsu. You claim Naruto only knows 4 jutsu... Seriously? Go read the databooks and see how many of the jutsu I listed you find there.
I really don't know why you're bothering with such a pointless argument about farts. Naruto showed his talent throughout that battle regardless of the end result. You clearly underestimate Naruto and ignore his ability, you also don't seem to understand that jutsu=technique's/skills a ninja uses and refuse to accept certain things that are written in stone.
Last edited by Naruto_Rasengan; July 27, 2011 at 12:03 PM.