Last edited by KiSwordsman; July 28, 2011 at 10:18 PM.
b) that situation is still unanswered - did Kishi forgot or there will be consequences
c) in base mode Naruto is in lots of troubles, his speed is still medicore at best
b) in actual fight with Nagato and Itachi he didn't use any - so it might not be as safe as you might think ... also in that situation it's like 20 clones at best
c) and so what if Naruto gets to that Kunai? It only helps Minato he will get rid of the holder of the kunai
I voted for Naruto.
The only areas in which Minato outclasses Naruto in this fight are fuinjutsu and possibly genjutsu. I have no idea how effective Minato is at genjutsu, and thus this is not really a factor. Fuinjutsu is quite powerful and could be a game changer since Naruto has not really shown any effective way of dealing with it up to this point, but I have my doubts on how effective Minato could be with it in the heat of battle if he were to use it to mess with Naruto's chakra supply.
Naruto was running that entire night and using his RM to "light up the way" like a HUGE flashlight. Hell Bee and Kyuubi both worned him of how much chakra he is wasting with that...
Now Naruto already got 10+ clones out and fighting on diferent places when they found Itachi and Nagato. So he was already splitting his chakra with multiple clones. He probably belived it would be to risky to create more under those circumstances.
The last part makes no sense at all...
He used multiple rasengans and he never even needed a clone to do that.
Mini FRS, multi rasengans on his back, rasengan vacum, and that super huge rasengan here:
That was a rasengan right? Not sure looks more lika a small moon:P
Last edited by xXan; July 29, 2011 at 09:23 AM.
the final!a very hard fight,but I think naruto would win.kakashi said it too,he said naruto was the only ninja able to surpass minato.and minato did not complete the rasen shuriken.
no sence at all? This is the biggiest puzzle in recent chapters ... I agree I might be more technical than most of you guys and maybe I tend to think about it too much but from logical stanpoint it doesn't make any sense
In chapter 519 page 7 and further there is part about Naruto learning Bijuu dama but because Naruto can't turn into full Nine-tail Bee and Hachibi put this technique at rest and focuses on Naruto and using Riddukou mode with his own techniques - as said in chapter 519 page 13 http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/519/13 - Naruto is explaining he can't do NORMAL RASENGAN without clone
After that Bee tells him to imagine another pair of hands and do it anyway - in chapter 519 page 14 (http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/519/14) Naruto therefore attempts to perform NORMAL RASEGAN but it immediately goes into Bijuu Dama and not into NORMAL RASENGAN
so explain me how is Naruto able to perform NORMAL RASENGAN in his Riddukou Mode when in all actuality it should go straight into Bijuu Dama and not into Rasengan.
You guys might not thought about that but I did.
Also there isn't any mentioning about Naruto training to go into SM instanly only training on prolonging it's effect but OK because SM doesn't represent problem for Minato IMO.
Anyway that KB in RM is still unanswered by Ksihi and I am suspecting he might suffering from alzheimer's because he tends to forget many things: like Susanoo draining life force and such ...
Here you go:
Now going forword.
He probably was able to reach a primitive version of that. He is just doing a normal rasengan and not the super biju bomb.
Now in the end is irrelevant what VERSION of rasengan he is doing. it is STILL RASENGAN.
The evidence is enough... All you need to do is read what he states when using this move:
He can even do a FRS:
Again just read the names lol. How can you state that is NOT rasengan? Even if it is BIJU BOMB RASENGAN and it still is rasengan. Rasengan is the miniaturizate biju bomb...
Even Bee states this:
You are just comparing a porsche and stating its a car to a mercedes and stating the last is not lol.
Also your previous post does not contain the NORMAL part from normal Rasengan. Anywhay i find it irrelevant if he can't do a normal rasengan like in part one when he can do a more powerfull one.
I never said that, I'm giving an example of how Naruto's unorthodox way of fighting gives him the edge. Minato was able to figure out Tobi but still couldn't do a thing without Hiraishin v2. Naruto has shown to trick his opponents and predict their moves, he can do the same against Minato as well.Quote:
Naruto doesn't have space/time ninjutsu like Minato does, which is the main reason Minato's even this strong. Without Hiraishin, Minato would have been dead against Tobi and quite possibly against Raikage, even.
Also for instant if naruto didn't have any info on pain's power then do you guy still think he can come up with something to counter it. Don't kid yourself, he won't be able to unless he survive their attack and witness those power.
PS. has naruto ever been in a fight where he don't have any info on his opponent at all and win using his power only without going to berserker mode, the only one was against kiba if I remeber correctly. In the manga so far, who ever naruto faces, he in some form or another have so info on them which allow him to come up with tatics to beat them, but it's not happening here.
In your post you said bee was faster than hirashin minato, if he was, then he could have stab minato while minato was talking to A , for all we know he move his knife next t ominato in those conversation, but as he got close minato notice it, so your interpreatation the right one so don't try to make it so fact, also you keep refering to shi'd statement to interpret minato's reaction time is comparable to base A ,but you are totally ignoring A 's statement in that minato was faster. I would take the statement of someone fighting minato first hand over some random guy any days. Plus you keep ignoring that sure naruto never saw A at full speed, but he witness his speed first hand several time beforehand, and this make him more aware, as for minato all the guy got is a rumor in that A is pretty fast, he have absolutely no idea how fast at all.
Last edited by huynhlan; July 29, 2011 at 01:29 PM.
My point is, Minato had the jutsu to beat Tobi, Naruto doesn't. It's not really fair comparing how they'd do against a certain opponent or how they did against an opponent. Plus, we all know Tobi survived Minato's stab to the head only because of his intangibility, otherwise he'd have been owned there and then.
I thought Naruto said if it weren't for RIkudou Mode, he'd have been unable to get up from that punch. Unless Minato goes for the instant kill successfully after using HIraishin, it may not work because Naruto will figure out Hiraishin and have his clones go to the tag.
He could have been able to beat Pain even without info. Naruto may not be as smart as Minato or as quick, but Naruto is smart in his own right. One of the reasons why Deva lost was because Naruto was very unconventional, using his clones to add speed to Naruto when he did the rasengan.
One of the few times where he used berserker mode without a plan was against Haku and Orochimaru. Against Neji and Gaara, he actually had a plan, which helped him win. We saw Yugito going berserker but lost because she didn't have as good a plan. Naruto comes up with good plans and is unpredictable that even Minato would have some difficulty knowing what Naruto will do.