considering they were apprentice on gol d roger's ship and they even participated(maybe not buggy) in the battle between shiki and roger so i can assume that they were with roger until the roger pirates disbanded. So i have no doubt that both buggy and shanks have reached raftel and know what one piece is. what do you guys think?
never once has buggy stated he wanted to go after one piece, he just says he wants to return to the grand line and that he missed it
same for shanks
the only reason one piece is so fabled is because roger shouted it out to everyone before his death, and the people who truly were with him/knew the real story were not interested in it financially
i think they do know of it, they're just not interested in it (not buggy anyway, shanks could be guarding it while waiting for dragon to rise up). it could be a colelction of the poneglyphs collected by roger
Theory : Buggy is actually super - ultra powerful who has always been helping Luffy by the side lines since after meeting him , he was reminded of Gold D Rogers and/or coz of the Hat and/or maybe Shanks discussed something about Luffy with hi m .
I think that they don't know what One Piece exactly is because Roger would have created One Piece during his last year of life, after he disbanded the crew and before he lived with Rouge. They may have an idea though because of what they saw during their travel with Roger. See my theory about Roger's One Piece in my signature if you want to get more info.
I think shanks knows where it is, but buggy does not. I can see a scenario where when the Rogers Pirates made it to Raftel, Buggy was unconsious. i believe Shanks knows that the One Piece holds a far deeper meaning and purpose than just being wealthy, so he will keep his mouth shut until Luffy is ready to be the King
I do think that all of the Roger pirates know what One Piece is including Rayleigh, Crokus, Buggy & Shanks as well as maybe Whitebeard. But from what I know, Roger never said One Piece had any monetary value (it's only implied in the introduction of the anime, i think, that it has to do with "wealth, fame and power"). Because Buggy only sees value in gold and the like and doesn't seem interested in it, I assume that One Piece has no monetary value. Since Shanks doesn't seem interested in it, I assume he, just like Whitebeard, isn't interested in the the title of Pirate King and/or cant put to use whatever One Piece is. Crokus made no effort to show that he had any association with Gol D. Roger which makes me think that even pretending to know what One Piece is can put a person's life in danger unless they're strong enough to oppose the world government. Sengoku's reaction to Whitebeard's last words also imply that. This is probably why Buggy wanted to hide the fact that he was ever on Gol D. Roger's ship until the world government made it public and he has yet to utter a word on One Piece or Raftel. Rayleigh said in chapter 507, page 5 that "we found out the entire history" and "we and the people of Ohara may all... have been a little too hasty." This could be interpreted as just him and Roger so I guess it's not conclusive evidence. Although it's also possible that One Piece has nothing to do with the void century.
On a lighter note, It'd be funny if Luffy finally reaches Raftel to find Shanks, Buggy, Rayleigh, Crokus and some of the other Roger pirates eating a cake to celebrate Luffy's arrival....and they saved him One Piece .
I think they don't know, and as was said by Anduren at least Shanks is not interested on it.
On my part I think One Piece is just freedom. It must be something indivisible but share-able.
Shank's could know given he is a serious, attentive character and was important enough to inherit Roger's hat and also since from the time of his introduction he has never hinted at a goal such as finding one piece or becoming the pirate king.....Buggy on the other hand am certain is clueless.No matter what gains buggy makes in the one piece universe he will always remain a joke character,comic relief at best.There is absolutely no way he knows anything about one piece.He would have already tried to sell that kinda info(lol) Also during the war he stated his intention to find one piece and become the pirate king.
No I don't think ...
Buggy doesn't like a one know about this, he already was decided to get another treasure [ Buggy the Clown Arc ]
Shanks was simple like Buggy, he can't know about this too ...
well, let say that shanks (as the hat confirmed) as inherited roger's will and so is the guardian of the one piece (if we don't consider that luffy found it in the 1st volume when he sails set to the sea!!
I think it would be better to assume that Roger did not "make" one piece but he just found it. He left it there because it's something he couldn't take. So everyone in his crew probably knows but it's something not usually wanted by your average pirate aka Buggy.
Yea I'm assuming that the entire crew knows...
I won't say it doesn't have monentary value, just that it's value in being the Jolly Roger pirates secret is more important Buggy...
Honestly, after all this foreshadowing that went into the whole 'One Piece' thing, it would be a massive cop out if it ended up being some kind of immaterial 'it was inside you all along' thing like freedom, or courage, or whatever. This is not the Land of Oz. Luffy is not the cowardly lion (that's Usopp's job description, hur). Plus, when has Oda ever copped out of anything? I'm sure it'll be something really awesome. Still, as far as Luffy is concerned, it doesn't matter if it exists, as long as he has fun getting there.
That said, Buggy and Shanks both founded their own crews eventually. They both had their own ambitions, separate from Roger's, and they may have jumped ship before he reached Raftel. Buggy, blinded by the lure of treasure, will likely have eventually effected his getaway, even if Shanks' interrupted him when we saw him do it. And Shanks, we still don't really know what he was in it for. From the looks of things, he doesn't care about much else beyond getting shit-pissed drunk every day. Even so I doubt Shanks could have built such a powerful crew around a weak resolution like that, so there must be a big feature about him, some kind of dream or goal that we're not aware of yet.
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I agree that we likely can't make a certain guess on what exactly One Piece is, but I doubt it's just air or something insignificant like some suggest, Luffy's own hat that was One Piece all along. Sure "One Piece" could be symbolic but I don't think so..
The Marines are heavily against people going after One Piece, they would probably know what it is since would know a lot of what Roger had stolen, well, an estimate anyway.
So why don't the marines tell everyone what One Piece really is...? Sure some may not believe the marines, but they don't even "try" to convince people that piracy for One Piece is not worth it.
That Roger was about to tell Whitebeard also tells me it's something "worth" something, but Whitebeard was only interesting in his family though.
I'd probably be greatly disappointed if it turned out that One Piece is nothing special, it'd be the ultimative surprise, BUT a bad one in my opinion.
I yeah, I think Buggy and Shanks may know some of the minor and medium size of the treasure, but the biggest price of One Piece...? Arguable