Whether you're saying someone has said or not, you still hold the belief that someone will. I'm just here to tell you that so far, no one has so your point is moot.
Yes, I'm sure you're doing this "as a service to the forum community" but it doesn't come across fair from where I'm standing. If that isn't using one to bolster the other, then lordy.
But hey, that isn't my argument. It's that that comparison kinda flops because Nagato doesn't really have anything to show without his Rinnegan, except his Uzumaki heritage, strong, high quality chakras, and presumed rich life force and longevity.
So why would I agree with that quote? No. That's just YOUR ideal way of how the debate should go.
well, okay I am a bit bored waiting for the next chapter, which might be the reason for me posting in here, nevertheless this whole discussion seems a bit one sided:P
And I personally tend to believe that by now (and that is what i want to stress: by now) sharingan the better doujutsu.
what do we have(naming basic techniques):
Sharingan has a chakra cloak known as susanoo(attack and defense), genjutsu called tsukyomi, and increased perception of taijutsu coupled with the ability to copy it(and this is not Sasuke's genius working there).
Izanagi (at least usable once, but then you do not have 3D-vision :P )
amaterasu all in all is not that great(too many can evade it right now, including raikage jiraiya and all the main characters).
Rinnegan has push and pull(godly but there is the time intervall), close combat advantages (pulling the soul out and absorbing chakrabased attacks, chakrarods that disturb the opponent flow, greater field of vision), and missiles for everything
Izanagi is not used even once by a rinnegan user! I mean basically any ability used by the rinnengan can be called izanagi, or is there something else? tell me what!
reviving is not usefull in combat, I mean it's not that bad, and I am not taking into account that you can controll multiple bodies, because this needs preparation time.
Summary: Rinnegan wins the close combat, no question there, but a sharingan user would not let himself be pulled (-.-) into a close combat fight. So forget about that.
The question is who wins in middle range. missiles cannot overcome susanoo. amaterasu and any ninjutsu is too weak for absorbing abilities. draw.
Sharingan user would aim for a genjutsu, not that bad against a rinnegan (jiraiya nearly did it, and sharingan does not take that long to cast an illusion)
have I forgotten anything?
therefore against each other sharingan has a slight advantage. imho
feel free to contradict me
Last edited by feanaro; October 25, 2011 at 03:23 PM.
Chibaku tensei is a long range jutsu that is superior to Susano'o, and Gedo Mazo is, well, a instant ticket to ownstomping your enemy if it has bijuu chakra in it.
Also, the frog song genjutsu is probably more powerful than Tsukuyomi if it hits, as it paralyzes your nerves, making it impossible for you to break out of it, so no wonder Nagato couldn't get out of it, even Itachi wouldn't be able if it hit him.
Rinnegan also gives access to the dog summon, which is almost unbeatable, the chameleon and the six paths of pain, which is a godly jutsu.
This is of course, disrearding the fact that Rinnegan also possesses Susano'o, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, as it is the next step after EMS.
chibaku tensei is not unbeatable, and it uses up an immense amount of chakra. (an izanagi would safe you, though a normal powerfull attack should be enough)
regarding the summons, the dogs are nasty but not that difficult to deal with, you just shouldn't cut them, as I said before 6 paths of pain need time to be prepaired, i mean you need bodies rods and so on. that's why you cannot take them into account. otherwise a sharingan user would be able to prepare some additional eyes and spam izanagi...
gedo mazo is strong that's right and something I haven't thought of. On the other hand shikamaru (pretimeskip) had to deal with something similar (those summons who could pull out your soul if touched), which is why i won't regard it as a major thread. bijuu chakra is not usable (again preparation time, also, a sharingan user can controll the kyubi but you have to limit them to power they have on their own). And Susanoo seems like a good and proportional counter.
every illusion shown in the manga leaves you powerless and unable to move, come on you cannot argue that frog illusion is better than a full tsukyomi, which controlls time perception
and there is still kotoamatsukami which simply is a one hit KO as well
but even small illusions can decide a fight (see danzou vs.sasuke)
if rinnegan can use susanoo and every other jutsu why do you think tobi has both the sharingan and the rinnegan? the two are different nevertheless, unless it is stated otherwise
still sharingan wins (and a crucial example would be the itachi vs nagato, though even naruto was able to defeat nagato)
Last edited by feanaro; October 26, 2011 at 07:28 AM.
Rinnegan has more power, but usually the chicks go more for the Sharingan, which is also an advantage that shouldn't be discounted.
I would say Rinnegan.
The general atmosphere around the Rinnegan gives it that Godly feel whilst the Sharingan gives you that superhuman feel.
Then you get that the Rinnegan has control over life and death, greater than the Sharingan, and also can open the user to infinite depths of power -- the jutsu creation potential -- but most importantly it is the final state the Sharingan can reach upon gaining Senju cells => by that merit the Rinnegan is doutblessly superior to all the Sharingan variants in the same manner that the Mangekyou Sharingan is superior to the three tomoe Sharingan.
Using Itachi vs. Nagato as an example to show SHaringan's superiority is unfair in my opinion as both were Edo Tensei, Nagato wasn't supposed to attack Edo Tensei adn thus didn't pay attention to Itachi, he was under Kabuto's full control, and Naruto and Bee were the focus instead of Itachi. Basically, Kishi made Nagato look very strong without weakening him when Itachi sealed him.
Same thing with Gaara's father not using his gold dust to free himself from Gaara's jutsu.
Rinnegan or Sharingan huh? Well from what I've seen definitely Rinnegan it's epitome of Dojutsus the father of them all...Even if Kishimoto has cleared up the uses for the Rinnegan I would say it does pretty much what the does Sharingan does and more....The Six paths of the Rinnegan alone are life and death techniques they shouldn't even be called ninjutsus
1. unlimited chakra absorbtion
2. Mind rape read then soul grab (cmon wtf)
3. Conditional soul stealer (more Wtf you can't lie to dude or u lose ya soul)
4. To revive people from short term death
5. Shinra Tensei
7. Gedo Mazo Ultimate summon
Rinnegan wins but imo the Sharingan really shouldn't be so strong and the evolution into Rinnegan is so gay...There's a tribe of people who could become the Rikkudo thats just dumb...Kishi should have left it as the ultimate eye mutation that just randomly picks a a heir to Rkkudo
Rinnengan or Sharingan???
It's like asking Kyuubi mode or Sage mode??
We all know Sage mode and Sharingan has some advantages over the other two, but when it's all said and done, rinnengan and Kyuubi mode has no equals.
Besides, Sasuke and Naruoto are being set up to use all of these over whelming powers at once. Combing Sage and Kyuubi mode, and EMS evolving to Rinnengan... What beasts are in the making !
Last edited by Masterpice; January 06, 2012 at 06:18 AM.
Re:Nagato's mobility. That has nothing to do with Rinnegan vs Sharingan.
Kabuto outright states that Nagato "still wasn't moving well" and that it prevented him from avoiding the attack from Susano'o. I'd guess that this is a result of his fighting instincts / reflexes being dulled after spending years in that contraption.
Nagato was also somewhat hampered in that he lacked one of the Rinnegan's abilities, as he was no longer synchronized with the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path. If Tobi hadn't already been controlling it for his own purposes, Nagato could possibly have summoned it to counter Itachi's Susanoo.
The fact that Rinnegan is an evolution of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan seems proof to me that it's the more powerful out of the two, and if properly wielded, likely has access to all of the abilities of its lower forms (as seen with Madara continuuing to use his Susano'o after activating his Rinnegan).
Nagato seems to have either been born with the Rinnegan directly, or had it transplanted into his body, so for whatever reason he may or may not have been able to access the lower tier powers (sharingan), or perhaps he had access but was never trained to activate them, or otherwise chose not to use them.
I agree Rinnegan is superior to sharingan being how it was an evolution from the EMS. I mean Masada was still able to do sussano even with the Rinnegan active, so it's a good chance all other sharingan moves are still active. And look at it his way, the sage of six paths had a Rinnegan an his offsprings had ended up getting sharingans since the blood line was watered down so much. It pretty much proven fact that the Rinnegan is the god father of all eyes, it just depends on the user on how powerful it is
It was nicely pictured in manga. If Madara did not have the sharingan, he would be dead by now. He was losing against Gaara, Naruto, Oonoki and others, so he had to pull out bigger gun. Rinnegan is by far stronger than sharingan.