here. Only about 33% are between 10-15, another 3% are 9. Readership is not split in two, two-thirds of readers are over the age of 16, younger readers are a clear minority. That will effect what type of manga are serialized in 2012 and will effect what series succeed.
That might be the reason. A very paradoxical reason to be precise.Quote:
I don't read new JUMP manga because they tend to get cancelled fast and especially the titles I like i.e. K.O. Sen, Double Arts, SWOT, Metallica and for me JUMP cancelled REBORN! when they turned it into a battle manga, I loved the comedy but I understand it was a change for the better (That I didn't quite like).
All of those I liked (Yeah I have a taste for the cliched, full of tropes manga) all of those got cancelled so I decided that for me to read/buy a JUMP manga it should have an anime adaptation, that way it will at least continue a little more and likely won't get cancelled, and will get a satisfactory ending. I am not saying I would read any JUMP manga with anime adaptation as in example I haven't touched Toriko, Nurarihyon, Beelzebub or Medaka but I am planning to read Medaka soon looks full of cliches LOL
Now, what can I do, me being ignorant of the Japanese language if a scanlation group doesn't pick up a manga? Nothing. Well, learn Japanese.
First of all I probably wouldn't even know about the series. And when/if it gets picked up it will likely ever be if the series gets an anime adaptation. If it ever gets one.. I mean it is pretty weird when a Seinen manga gets adapted into anime.
So by a dark manga being in JUMP and succeding then I am assured that it wll be interesting and likely have an anime.
IMO its because of JUMP intesive and very hard system that it has managed to get these many hits, its marketing has discovered some of the best hidden gems ever.. Examples?
What could happen if a comical artist (You know which draws characters with funny non-human proportions and all that) makes a action manga? A comedy mangaka making an action manga? In an era where most action manga had muscular super-humans.. Well Dragon Ball is the answer.
Its also because of JUMP's marketing and poll system that Yu-Gi-Oh! turned into the franchise it is today, I'd like to think that Takahashi would have continued with the episodic nature of Yu-Gi-Oh! (Of course eventually having some plot but you get the idea).
Not to say other magazines aren't good (I respect all of them and love manga in general) but its obvious that when you have a battle royale between authors each week (Because that's basically what TOC is) only the best of the best will come on top, the others will survive to climb to the top.
TLR I think Jump could make the series more interesting.
A perfect example of what I think JUMP should serialize is Akumetsu.
I'm also not against that Jump to have dark series (I think Jump should have at least one dark series), but I'm diagreeing on Jump to have bloody and violent manga. For me, dark series and bloody/violent manga are different.
In conclusion, I realized there is no point for you and me to try to persuade to change our beliefs. If I didn't agree with your idea, that's fine; if you didn't agree with my idea, that's fine too. I think we just stay what we believe.
P.S. I couldn't understand the point you are trying to make on the last paragraph (where you talk about Dragonball and Yu-Gi-Oh).
Last edited by Negative Syndicate; October 28, 2011 at 01:50 AM.
LOL so we are complete opposites
What I meant in the last paragraph is that most times Jump (And for that matter most other magazines) would almost obligate a popular artist to make the same type of manga or change toward other type of manga because that'd be the optimal option:
I.e. Masakazu Katsura which most popular titles are I's and Video Girl Ai first work was Wingman a super sentai, he really loves super heroes, but after Wingman JUMP almost obligated Katsura to make love/ecchi mangas (Because.. well.. just look at how well he draws.. Especially butts! Girls butts!)
Its blatantly obvious that Katsura's forte was its beautiful illustrations, and his art-style quickly developed. Thus he was forced into making ecchi.
In fact the most obvious example of this are all on ecchi mangas JUMP has published, i.e. Kawashita published Ichigo 100% in JUMP because her style was too shonen for a shojo magazine. A more "recent" example would be Yabuki Kentaro changing from action manga towards ecchi because he draws fan-service soooo well.
Now, back in 1985 (Before DB) most popular action manga tend to either had big, muscular, macho looking main characters or simply characters that looked (and were) adults. I.e. Cobra, Kinnikuman, Hokuto No Ken, City Hunter and this art-style would continue for years to come examples would be Otokojuku, Rokunedashi BLUES, Jojo.
Then Jump decided (Or maybe Akira Toriyama really wanted to make Dragon Ball) for Toriyama´s next serial to be an action gag manga.. As I have wrote they were really taking a risk here since even when Toriyama had made probably one of the most succesful JUMP mangas at the time, its art-style was as suited for a battle manga as today Hokuto No Ken would be on JUMP. We know what happened, not only Dragon Ball became the most well known anime in the world but it also changed how manga would be drawn in future generations.
Anyway here is an extract I got from this site:
Dragon Ball had 6 weekly color pages in a row, chapter 1 through 6, to say it got REALLY special threatment is being very modest, it was PIMPed as f#ck.. It would have made Toriko´s pimping like.. child´s play or something LOL but well, it was PIMPed with good reasons, after all it needed to be, Toriyama after all had made a hit and it was necessary to promote its newest work.Quote:
As the interview above says the rankings for Dragon Ball weren´t too hot and what I put on black is what I am trying to convey, Akira Toriyama crowd-pleasing material (AKA fan-service) as the article says became crucial in the upcoming parts of Dragon Ball and degrading the gag and humor in favor of more fights.
Its of my opinion that Torishima (Toriyama´s editor) was very smart to leat Toriyama, but what really lead Toriyama was JUMP poll system, that´s what my last paragraph said.
To sum it up, I think its because of how JUMP analyzes data from polls and authors make the best out fo said data that JUMP makes such hits. Also the collaboration of editors. I know this is constant in every other magazine, they work with polls and TOCs too, but we know JUMP´s "surivor of the fittest" is more savage than the other magazines which tend not to cancel every damn thing..
The other example Yu-Gi-Oh! is basically this, Yugioh was an episodic manga of weird games and all that mumbo jumbo, then one day Takahashi made a chapter about a card game "Duel Monsters" said chapter got amazing results in the TOC and polls, Takahashi´s editor then told Takahashi that Kaiba should reapper and that "Duel Monsters" should have a higher focus on the story.. And thus Yugioh became what it is today.
Basically if it weren´t for JUMP´s strict system is likely Yu-Gi-Oh! would have stayed as an episodic weird games manga and Dragon Ball as a gag manga (Likely very popular but not as popular as it got), similar to how Reborn! was changed from comedy to action so that it got more popular.
If you want to enlarge the categories do it conceivably:
This is a class of reader:
And this is another class:
Circa fifty fifty.
Last edited by ick; October 28, 2011 at 07:42 AM.
Was it mentioned that Toriko is absent next week? Because at the end of the chapter it said that it does.
In commemoration of Medaka Box getting an Anime, the 4 best ranking chapters of the series were posted on the Shounen Jump website.
The best ranking chapters are:
4th Place: Chapter 34 - "Won't Kill Your Life"
3rd Place: Chapter 76 - "My Older Sister Kurokami Kujira"
2nd Place: Chapter 96 - "Because It's My Job!''
1st Place: Chapter 70 - "I Love You"
Last edited by Zeromcd; October 28, 2011 at 11:03 PM.
Heh, so ch. 70 of Medaka got 1st. I'm not surprised.
Yeah. In this issue of Toriko it said Toriko will be absent next week.
It also said that the total sales of Toriko is at 10 million volumes sold now, for the first 16 volumes.
That was revealed in chapter 163. A big difference compared to chapter 138 when they announced it was at 7.3 million.
Chapter 70 was the result of the character popularity contest.
And one of the greatest scenes of the manga.