The chapter is now out!
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Chapter is out, get it on the TDX scan website.
Thanks to TDX scans.
Last edited by Josef K.; December 06, 2011 at 03:07 AM.
Hm read the latest chapter I'd at least think he'd try to win them over emotionally I guess Yokoya did in a sense by gaining their trust as the guy who so far figured out the Liar Game. What is great is that he's out to win people over by something within his capacities so I'm glad he didn't try to be a Nao/Harimoto. Seeing as it is bid poker Fukunaga might have a chance at surviving as its not entirely a team game - course there are mechanics to it but yeah.
What I find more interesting here is that we meet a higher authority and moreover through this higher authority they can decide whether to banish a player or not. Meaning whether they'll need to directly intervene to remove dangerous elements in the game, dangerous interpreted I guess as guys who may reach the guys who manage and created the Liar Game (if you know the purpose after all you could trace who would benefit from it and trace it back). Still this also presents the scenario of catching the observers interfering in the game - giving them the billions promised.
I"m trying to figure out how he managed to deduce the game. The best I can figure is he based it on previous games and the current setting. Since he saw how the chairs were setup he had the feeling it made deal with a casino setting. With that in mind he deduced what type of games would work in this current setting, a majority of casino games are to random and wouldn't work properly but a card game would work. It then came down to blackjack and poker, blackjacks concept wouldn't really fit into the game since it's to simplistic, while one could argue that you could try for fancy ways to getting to 21, from what I recall there aren't really any advantages to getting 21 one way or another.
With poker however, there are quite a few variables and combinations that can trump one another to make it a tricky game and with the added twist of liar rules a complex one to. With bidding for cards I have the idea that each person will start with 5 cards and will then be able to pay to obtain other cards from people while hiding what they wish to obtain. I can't tell how many are playing but it looks like 7-8 are playing so with that they start with 35-40 cards 5 each with 12-17 leftover.
I have the feeling that said leftover cards will only be obtainable if they discard a card in their hand, but by doing this said card is out of play, so while one player may want to setup something they may be unable to because another person discarded said card to pickup a new card.
Though it's quite possible it won't be as simple as getting the highest combo, it may come down to grouping together with others and obtaining the highest point value of the cards obtained, if it's made into a solo game I find it hard to believe that one would manage to get their hands on a royal flush, though perhaps aiming fora royal flush is the wrong way to go and it's smarter to aim for something like four of a kind or full house while thwarting others attempts in creating a royal flush/straight flush.
Wonder if any of this will end out being true I'm curious to see how the game will turn out but I just wanted to have fun with guessing the exact game lol. Of course there is the possibly that Yokoya has actually corrupted a member of the Liar Game but I don't believe that they could be bought off so easily, with the amount of money the handle I find it hard to believe they would take risk like that unless he is actually able to offer them more then they make.
The way I see it, there are two ways for yokoya to have figured out the game. The first one is that he was actually told. This however is unlikely as apparently only one person there even knew of the game until it was announced. I doubt he would have the proper contacts within the organization to know of such a thing. On the small chance that someone who yokoya was close to while he got there knew the game, it is very possible he told them he would give them a couple hundred million for the information though. Even the game masters would fall to temptation lol.
The other possibility is that he actually deduced the game from whatever he saw on his way there. The limo that took him there would be unlikely as there is no reason for it to reveal any aspect of the game. Then the other possibility is that he saw things while he got to that room that would allow him to figure it out. This would be unlikely for a few reasons though. The first is that the room he is at only has chairs and round tables to begin with. Chairs and round tables could suggest any game imaginable to begin with so it is unlikely such a thing was the trigger. More so, would the organization leave cards and chips around which would imply the game? I doubt it, simply because anyone could deduce poker from chips, tables, seats and cards. Of course, it would not be quite enough for him to deduce the type of poker though.
Now, since it is unlikely yokoya was told by anyone the result and deducing the game from his environment is hard at best then he must have done something else. I would argue that at some point he got a chance to snoop around the location of the game and got to see everything in detail. Perhaps upon his arrival to the location he took a few "wrong turns" and got his hands on stuff which would allow him to deduce the game while at the same time it would not be close to the others. perhaps he even went to the location of the game beforehand and on the first chance he had he saw the stuff the organization brought for the game.
Now, as for what yokoya said about information, it is completely true, information is important but he still has a big issue. He could have all the information he wants however the fact of the matter is that there is not a single person in his group who would not stab him the moment the chance comes. In this regard, he has a massive disadvantage against the likes of akiyama and nao or harimoto who actually have unconditional loyalty on their side. They already have information on their side, it was information that allowed them to trap him in that little circle in the chair game and it was information that allowed them to best him at the virus game. As long as people are willing to betray yokoya that easily there is always the chance for him to get backstabbed. Perhaps he did figure out undying loyalty is important but for him to get it and actually put himself on the line for his team mates would be impossible Perhaps it is because he can't get that that he neglect it.
Anyone notice how different the rooms in which the two different groups are? The Yokoya room is large and open and bright while the Akiyama/Nao room is more compact and less lit. If both groups are playing the same game, and I believe that have in the past, it would seem to be odd that they are in completely different types of rooms.
I would also note that Yokoya isn't using information to his advantage, he is using the appearance of having information. Does him knowing that the game is Bid Poker help him win? Not really, which is why he announced it to everyone. He is relying on the fact that people are willing to follow a leader who appears to know what is going on. Being able to prove it in such a tangible way would be very convincing. People would not only desire to follow him, but they would be hesitant to betray him since you could never assume he didn't already know you were going to do it and have already planned your destruction.
The issue becomes how he knew. Bribery is possible, but unlikely. Deducing it from the surroundings is possible, but extremely unlikely. I'd also argue that neither of those are particularly interesting.
I'll propose an alternative solution: The group B location is not an officially sanctioned Liar Game. Yokoya used his vast familial resources to set up a fake game to "prove" his ability to gather information to the rest of the players. The dealer and the 5 extra players are paid actors. The game would be rigged so that all the current players will win and move onto the next, actual preliminary game. The double preliminary game will be explained away as a need to cut down the amount of players, essentially what was said before the Vaccination game.
You could ask, why would the people in masks allow it? (They, and by that I mean the special guy, obviously knows about it since they have cameras set up) My answer: Why wouldn't they? If they are doing this whole game for amusement, why would they pass up free entertainment? It has no bearing on what actually happens in the Liar Game, so it doesn't change anything.
Is that higher officer younger than the hosts we already know? Or does he just appear like that to me? I would love to see his commentary, but a little prediction I expect some serious sweating from him at the end of this round.
And my primary wondering is will we follow both games or will we stay with Yokoya only as we did here? Either way I expect one of the games to finish quick, I doubt it is Yokoya since they already kind of started with the analysis in that one. Even Forelock using kind of old techniques is trying to get some allies.
Well in the revival round before the Musical Chairs game we only followed the story of Nao and Akiyama and did not go to Fukunaga, but perhaps that might change here because both are now kind of equally important with the new twist that Yokoya knew the game before it was announced.