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Welcome to the void! It is the place where people can find and suggest some of the most obscure, hidden gems in the seinen manga universe. A manga that needs to be brought to attention, a manga that never made it to the scan groups. Mangas that are serious and alternative, some that are funny but never saw the light of day, never made it to the online reading sites, were left out because they do not fit the general idea of a manga someone would read, a manga that is thought not to be interesting for the readers. Here you can discuss which of these mangas should be read more, discussed more and maybe some will catch the eye of the scan groups. So those that are pros in this field of seinens will be of great help to people who are done with the beginner mangas and want to venture deep into the forest of seinens. Let me have the honor of begin the first to suggest some.
Last edited by Josef K.; November 05, 2011 at 08:27 AM.
I'm a big fan of Naoki Yamamoto's (completely released) series: Arigatou, Believers, Dance till Tomorrow (Asatte Dance).
Kazuo Umezu is another great, infamous mangaka that you need to try at one point. Keep in mind that his manga don't really always make sense. (Fourteen, Drifting Classroom, My Name is Shingo)
I'll Give It My All... Tomorrow isn't being scanlated, but just get the official books if that's a possibility.
Boku to Issho is a hilarious manga by the author of Ciguatera.
Noramimi is like Doraemon for grown-ups.
Naturally Toyokazu Matsunaga's stuff, being Bakune Young, Ryuguden, Paperakyu.
More funny stuff by Nawoki Karasawa: Super Cruel and Terrible Tales of Mangaka, Sachiko & Neko-sama
All of Taiyo Matsumoto's works (Takemitsu Zamurai, Sunny, Number Five, Gogo Monster, etc)
Twin Spica, not really alternative seinen but definitely very low under the radar.
Shinkichi Katoh's Ranman, Baka & Gogh.
Me & the Devil Blues
Some of Tezuka's lesser known, but nonetheless fantastic manga (Ayako, Ode to Kirihito, Book of Human Insects)
All of Jiro Taniguchi's own stories like Father's Journal, Distant Neighbourhood, Zoo in Winter, etc.
Say hello to Black Jack; though this one might be difficult to actually read (the version I own is Dutch, and aside from that it's only been published in French) but it's a fantastic series.
Action wise, my two favs are Shamo and Ichi the Killer. Both are loaded with action granted both stories can be gruesome in more ways than one
One of my all-time favorite manga is Bokurano. It's a mech manga but with some crazy back stories on the children forced to pilot the mech. Waters and Garden are two other really interesting series that I read awhile back. Garden is a collection of oneshots but they will mind f*ck you.
Ichi the Killer is a good one. Been so long, need to read it again.
Music of Marie is breath taking, it has that classical drawing style which a few manga's have, I really love it! The art style fits in with the type of the story as well. There are just so many ways to characterize this manga just by going form the art style. It has lovely color pages and basically the whole world of the manga is so interesting! It's unique so to speak, the characters are just lovely! If you are looking for a good fantasy this is the way to go! A little insight on my suggestion.^^
Thank you guys for the suggestions, I have a lot of series to read now!
Eden:It's An Endless World! isn't obscure or offbeat, but it definitely needs more readers and discussion. And I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone or as an intro to Seinen. So I feel confident that it fits the "Seinen for Professionals" category.
Last edited by MattC302; November 04, 2011 at 06:34 PM.
Little insight on Journey to The End of the World, it's quite of a work of literature, very nice art and a very nice poetic narration that is specific to this manga only, people may not like it because on the surface and at the beginning it does not appear interesting but that is part of the larger overall story that is to follow which may disturb some a lot. It basically has strong themes, none of that love, friendship, courage stuff, this is black humor at times, for me.
Well, I don't know if this question makes sense, but does the "Josei" demographic genre count as a seinen - particularly for females?
So are Josei titles allowed on this thread?
Anyways, I find Aiki really decent. Don't know if it's for pros though.
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White Clouds/Shiroi Kumo which has a thread now is one that I just remembered I found it such an odd way while browsing randomly for manga that were short. It was short but it was magnificent as well, for those looking for not too long and simple yet mangas filled with emotion, other mangas that I was told that would make me cry did not even come close to the sheer power of this one.
You may want to clarify what you mean by 'Seinen' for pros - to be honest I'm not too keen on having a topic just for 'pros' since its not very welcoming to readers by creating a bias that you may not have it in you to appreciate said manga because you're not at the 'level'. I can understand the 'beginners' thread but I'm honestly not too sure about a 'pros' thread since it pertains to a segregation that I'm not fond of not just in manga but in many other media, its kind of elitist.
Since what I'm seeing with recommendations are more 'experimental' but I'd hardly call an experimental work to be more of an expert rank since really the advantage of appreciating these works are if you're not TOO exposed to manga in the first place. Thus, you have a much easier time absorbing the odd format/art they may opt to adopt since you're far more open with less bias. There are also series I think better suited for 'beginners' like Bokurano since what I find is its more characteristic of the 'philosophical' or 'reflective' qualities in a seinen series, along with the maturity. Furthermore, its a great start off for any new reader precisely because it subverts a pretty common genre of mecha into something far deeper or rather more in the vein of 'sci-fi' that you can identify a quick difference of how a shounen and seinen series handle something.
With discussion I can understand that some series may be difficult to talk about - Journey to the End of the World for instance - but I would say that is largely because talking about content would only be repeating or parroting what the manga already explicitly stated. Or the manga is so much about being a visual or atmospheric feast - e.g. Mushishi - that despite it being great its very difficult to find words to describe the beauty you're engrossed with that there really isn't much to do other than recommend it. Perhaps that would be more 'difficult' for newer readers but to be honest its not any easier for 'expert' readers since in the end it boils down to quite a niche appeal, you're either open to it or not.
Last edited by Hamy; November 13, 2011 at 01:32 AM.
It's only the thread name that might be misleading, or elitist. But if you're gonna take it this seriously...
Hmm...I don't think there's a problem...the pro in the title doesn't refer to the level of understanding of the reader, but more like to the amount of mangas he's read, or the quality of those titles...because of the number of titles, the pros can offer more obscure and not so known titles
Which is why I do agree with Music of Marie and Journey to the End of the World as being more 'pro' as they do go beyond your comfort zone as it is a very distinct style governing the manga rather than genre or plot.
Last edited by Hamy; November 13, 2011 at 09:15 AM.
It was meant to be a cute and catchy name, even in the announcement I put what the thread is about, I presumed that the announcement would be the thing that will get people here. Well it was firstly for "Professionals" which is a bit official and stuff, but pros has a ring to it, it's there to grasp the attention not to mislead, otherwise how will the readers know what the thread is about without reading the content? I mean it really would not do anything for someone who has not read the thread to come post, they have to read the first and other posts to form the opinion on the thread and see what it is about.
Pros are generally those with more experience in reading these manga which can be said are: hidden, obscure, unknown, not mainstream and so on. It's both for the content and the popularity of the manga. The thread is not closed for anyone right? Everyone can post, I see the meaning of the thread in this sentence "So those that are pros in this field of seinens will be of great help to people who are done with the beginner mangas and want to venture deep into the forest of seinens." that I wrote in the first post.