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Before ennies lobby... I don't think zoro ever fought a VA. he fought tbone if I recall but he only a captain and overall fodder.
Oh I don't know why I had the idea he was a VA .... My bad
At EL in the story, the entire crew were strong enough to dispatch of a Marine Captain individually. With many of them taking out various Captains lol.
The average Captain level was already fodder in the eyes of the SH's too.
Although if Coby learns to use his Soru more efficiently he could be stronger than the average one.
For what we have seen, a lot of VA are only around pre-timeskip supernova level. A current luffy , sanji or zoro would simply trash most of them. If Bartolomeo can do it, no reason for our monster trio not to do it.
I think you are talking about T-BONE - http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/T-Bone he is a captain not a VA if I am wrong correct me
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I think they will be able to defeat VA but only lower class ones not the ones that are being trained as law already said the marines have been preparing. in my mind those who are part of the preparation are able to give luffy a hard time
Dalmatian and Momonga just bumped into Luffy in the war and outclassed him effortlessly and continued dispatching of pirates.
I agree Monster Trio can all beat Vice-Admirals, but trash them? That's a bit too far.
That's why I said a "lot" & not "all". But aside from Garp, no VA had an interesting background or story importance yet. VA are just used as stepping stones to assess the strength of the opponents. VA represent just nothing in One piece.
- the 4 VA in Enies Lobby were not able to stop Luffy ... & they were almost scared by Lucci. They didn't move a finger & they let the two beasts (lucci-luffy) fighting each other.
- VA Lacroix was easily beaten by Oars Jr
- VA Ronse was easily beaten by WhiteBeard
- VA John Giant was easily beaten by WhiteBeard
- VA Momonga had to stab himself in front of Hancock
- VA Momonga was stopped by Do Flamingo
- Vergo was beaten by post-time skip Law and also did a quick draw against sanji.
- A VA was trashed by Bartolomeo
You can see the patern here ... And to see a VA beating someone relevant in One Piece ... well there was just no VA able to do that aside from Garp. That's a fact. The biggest achievement from a VA who is not Garp was to caught Marco off-guard. Vergo wasn't too bad either but that's it. In 700 chapters, that's it.
I'm not saying there aren't strong, very strong VA but so far in the manga, I'm still waiting for a VA to impress me. Based on facts alone, VA are just disappointing. The impressive marines so far were Magellan, Garp, Sentomaru & the amirals.
To finish, VA is just a rank for very experienced marines. IF Oda want me to take a VA seriously, give me a very young VA.
Last edited by zelllogan; May 26, 2013 at 04:35 AM.
Firstly, ALL VA's are said to have Haki,
There were 5 VA in Enies Lobby, and you need to read the manga urgently.
The VA's didn't even fight so this is nonsense. They allowed CP9 to finish the job. All they were doing was destroying the island.
Have you forgotten the BusterCall in Ohara? Aokiji and Sakaizuki didn't jump onto the island and engage in combat.
I'll tell you this, since Onigumo effortlessly caught Marco in mid-flight, and ALL VA's have Haki, Onigumo would have beaten Luffy at Enies Lobby, also Luffy was too tired to even move after the fight with Lucci so had the VA's known that, they could have easily jumped inside and killed him.
You watched the anime. In the manga, only ONE VA comments on Lucci's ability, the rest just relax since their job was only to destroy the island. Had they got involved Luffy would have died.
The others didn't give a damn about Lucci so you shouldn't say they were afraid. Re-read the chapter and you'll understand no VA was actualy "scared" of Lucci.
It was just respect.
Momongo and Dalmatian completely outclassed Luffy when they met in him in the war.
Since when was losing to WB an insult?
They took several critical genuine quake hits to them.
You're joking if you think losing to WB means you're unimpressive.
Remember how WB took on Sakaizuki and knocked him elsewhere. Sakaizuki at no point looked like he was going to win against WB.
So this is an invalid point.
Sentomaru has only shown Haki, something that the VA's have. There is zero evidence to assume Sentomaru is any stronger than the VA's.
First of all, Vergo beat Smoker, so unless you want to tell me Smoker is really weak as you say VA's are...
Had the war not been so hectic, Momonga would have dispatched of Luffy right here.
X Drake only had the rank of Rear-Admiral and he was pretty strong but clearly not enough to be a VA.
Honestly, you're really wrong for saying the VA's are weak.
How would a Young VA make a difference?
In fact, that's the key to showing how difficult it is to be a VA or Admiral, nobody when they are so young is strong enough to attain the rank.