Suigetsu might be immune to physical attack but hes weak against lightning and probably very powerful fire attacks. We've yet to see him use any actual water ninjutsu other than him turning into water and the possibility he has that water gun tech. But nothign to imply he can create water out of nothing like Kakashi, Kisame, Tobimara or other water types. Konoha seems to have a very good variety of chakra nature type users vs. other villages which have mostly similar types like the Cloud and their lightning or the Stone and their earth nature, etc... So I doubt he lasts long, especially when most ninja would probably use ninjutsu rather than get close to him when he had that huge sword.
Juugo isn't really immune to anything, hes just an above average brawler that goes berserk and once you inflict enough damage on him or knock him out he goes back to normal anyway. Look how easy it was for Suigetsu to do it a few chapters ago. And Karin is... Karin. No way they could begin to do what Pein did, would of been suicide.
Also I think its fairly easy to say if they couldn't take on Bee, they wouldn't be able to take on Konoha.
Last edited by bigman; April 12, 2012 at 03:31 PM.
Kirin destroyed not just a huge building, pretty huge compared to a person, but an even bigger mountain too. It might not take out the whole village, but it should take out quite a big chunk. It would put quite a dent in Konoha's forces, depending on where Sasuke aimed, like say the Hokage's Tower.
And if we compare, Taka were essentially taken down by one man, Killer Bee and then essentially 2 men, Ee and Darui (Shi didn't do anything). That's only 3 men out of the Cloud even though they are super strong (Ee and Bee, Darui can be argued). And the Cloud has stated they haven't been able to take on Konoha and Konoha has been implied to be the strongest village.
I'm not sure how one can think Taka could take on Konoha, let alone any village.
As for attacking Konoha, as Kisame said: it won't happen. The top brass are well protected. Taka was just naive in thinking that they can storm in and fight.
Besides, Konoha has never been portrayed as being very strong from what we've seen. True a handful of ninjas basically trips the balance in their favor, but as a whole, Konoha's not that impressive. Orochimaru with only a force of 200, 100 of his own Sound ninjas and 100 Suna ninjas, were able to weaken the village enough that they lacked manpower for quite some time even though they knew the attack was coming and were prepared. Sasuke by himself was able to take out a couple hundred sound ninjas without fighting to kill. The one battle we saw during Third War, the majority of Konoha's forces were easily dealt with by Iwa until Minato appeared and saved the day. And when Pain attacked, even through they pretty much outnumbered them individually, none of Konoha's forces aside from Kakashi can close to taking out a single Path. Well, maybe Konohamaru depending how on what you consider taking out to be. But the point is that even though the other Paths were quite weaker then the likes of Deva Path and Asura Path, and even though Konoha had information about them, they still weren't able to overpower a single one. So it wasn't so much as all Konoha ninjas posed the threat, but just a few with the rest being mere fodder.
Also, we can't forget that during the time that Sasuke would have staged his attack, Konoha had lost many of it's key ninjas. Minato, Sarutobi, Itachi, and Jiraiya were all dead. So was the Uchiha clan, which probably had made up a good part of Konoha's military power given the threat themselves posed had they gone against the village. Orochimaru, Gai, and Naruto were gone. The only ones they had left to pose a threat were Kakashi, Danzo, Tsunade, the Ino-Shika-Cho elders, and maybe the Hyuuga clan. With Kirin setting the stage beforehand, I don't see why Team Taka would have much trouble with a weaken village. Same with Kumo for that matter. Kirabi alone showed several abilities that could pretty much wipe out an entire village. Not even gonna mention Iwa and it's hax abilities.
The only thing the samurai showed was chakra manipulation using swords. They haven't shown any jutsu usage of any kind.
Suigetsu, and Juugo can easily handle the Samurai.
Juugo can easily use high powered attacked using his CS forms. Suigetsu can easily take down samurais using water [he even stopped crazy-juugo using water]
Karin is a medical ninja, her role isn't combat.
You're doing the wrong comparisons, and it is confusing. You're trying to prove an already given fact.
We're already shown that even a clan has difficulty fighting a village [revise the history of Kimimaro's clan].
And Tobi and Kisame already explained that too.
I don't know why everyone thinks Juugo is so incredible, he hasn't been shown to take down a single foe as of yet since he was introduced. Hes basically like the Sound 4 but with more diversity in what he can morph his body into with creating blades on his arms and firing chakra blasts... but with far less strategy since he goes insane. It looks cool, but as of yet it hasn't yielded a single result.
Talking about Samuraï, after seeing this picture :
And knowing Kishi is a Star Wars fan, it would have been so cool if the Samuraï leader was wearing an armor like that (this is a Samuraï Vador type, Vador's armor is inspired by Samurai). Well, I suspect that the current samuraï fodders design are inspired by Vador.
Kish did a poor job of showing how strong the Samurai are because right before the Kage Summit Tsuchikage does say ninja don't dare start a conflict with them because they have a strong military. I doubt any of the 5 ninja villages would be considered having a weak military and they fight each other all the time, so I think that says something. But since Sasuke has to appear invincible, I guess they might as well have been 2 year olds with plastic knives.
Last edited by bigman; April 14, 2012 at 01:48 PM.
Yeah, the samurai had a horrible showing. The worst part was Gaara telling them to stand aside. Their whole purpose was suppose to be guards strong enough to protect and keep the Kages in check, so them not being able to handle things made them pointless.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; April 15, 2012 at 12:07 AM.
I forgot to say this in the previous chapter's thread,and now it's closed. did anyone find odd that itachi's view of life was regarded as "a world of lies",the same kisame had. I think kishi copied it from kisame,because in volume 54 there were a lot of differences between kisame and itachi's characters.