Has it really come to this, an Uchicha named user being neutral and users claiming to be neutral prefering Uchichas over Naruto. Wrote up my own reply yesterday but stopped halfway through because it felt so futile, I will post it anyway.
The way and number he used it in the manga and the time between obtaining them to his death, when compared to Sasuke going blind seems ridiculous long. Well you have no idea how often he had used it too, so that's entirely your opinion too.Originally Posted by Ninjabot
Due to the eradication of the Uzumaki clan, not many. Are you really trying to say that the Hakke no Fuuin Shiki was weak? In the end it's their[jinchuuriki] big disadvantage, just admit it. Alone in Konoha we had the three Sages, Danzo, Hiruzen and Minato capable of using high lvl sealing techniques, we don't know about the remaining 4/5 ninja villages and the countless neighbooring villages, which each have probably some strong fuuin users as shown during the war to stop ET.Quote:
Doesn't that make the EMS/MS a hax too? It's a legendary power in form of a sensory organ and not a large group of people can defeat the users? I will return the question: Come to think of it, how many genjutsu masters are there in the manga, excluding Sharingan users? I see fast characters like A, Bee, Gai or Naruto capable of fighting with taijutsu against those guys, but we also know downside of that fighting style, not being able to look at the enemy.Quote:
There is a difference between mastering something and copying something immediately. And that was his point, understanding almost every jutsu just by looking and even being able to copy them as long as the jutsu consists of their own Seishitsuhenka/elemental capabilities. A fist bump or Naruto training day and night for Sage Mode? Should he have had a rethorical training to convince Kurama or his pure intention? He couldn't train to become a better friend of the bijuu, Naruto had to show trust and acknowledgement and that he did, after 570 chapters as mentioned beforeQuote:
That's your personal fight. If we can trust the manga, good Sharingan users should be able to subdue the Kyuubi.Quote:
People hate to admit but although there are a lot of naruto, minato, jiraiya many fans of the uchiha absolutely flip out turn their heads away from any negative aspects about that clan just as much as those naruto,minato, etc fanatics.
Talking about Naruto vs. Gaara, when Naruto use his 1000 clones Uzumaki Naruto Barrage and blew up Gaara's butt. He forced Gaara to go full bijuu mode. As far as I saw, Gaara had upper hand until Naruto gained confidence and determination. Though, Bunta was getting beaten by Shukaku.
Doubt it'd have worked against the Kyuubi, it was breaking out easily and it wasn't even in full nine-tailed mode yet.
I know, apart from the summoning it was solely Naruto (and Sasuke when he saved him) doing the work. I did say that. I don't think it was the clones that made Naruto do better, but his brain and determination. Once Naruto got the determination, he did much better and injured Gaara twice. So basically, it was all about matchup. The Gaara in the exam was the perfect matchup for post-preliminary Sasuke because he had speed and could penetrate Gaara's defense. However, the Gaara in the forest was perfect for Naruto because it wasn't about speed but power and stamina. Switch both around and they'd do badly, as we saw with Sasuke vs. forest Gaara.
Didn't forget it, but it can be argued that Naruto went easy. Anyway, While Sasuke may not have lost, he ended up looking worse than Naruto in their fights. Naruto owned Pain, got taken down by Pain, and then owned him again. Sasuke was on par with Bee, got owned by Bee, and then got tricked by Bee. The only fight I remember Naruto losing is against Sasuke. Though in every fight but Kakuzu, Naruto and Sasuke have struggled and have had problems. Their "powerups" were what ultimately led them to win... most fights anyway as Naruto never had any help against Kiba.
SHortening lifespan apparently means nothing since Naruto's an Uzumaki. The price is years or decades into the future in exchange for nearly destructive power. Or rather, it depends as Kyuubi never tried to break free against Orochimaru, but it did against Pain.
Well it is true that Naruto went better as long as he was more determinated, yet it was mostly Naruto, the headbutt itself wasn't Kyuubi powered. Further proving that, despite being dependant of its powers, Naruto's fight weren't all won by Kyuubi.
Also I agree on matchups, yet the forest Gaara was faster than Sasuke, so it was also about speed. Naruto speed is way underrated imho, even right now outside Kyuubi mode
The point is, despite having Kyuubi regenation and Uzumaki's incredible stamina and vitality, Naruto was a mess even during the Sasuke stomp in Oro's lair. How massive the damage was if the two powers combined plus Sakura's healing didn't do a thing?Quote:
Not necessarily as Naruto wasn't exactly in danger of death or feeling emotional until Gaara had him trapped with Sand Coffin. It was basically Naruto vs. Gaara the jinchuuriki. If Kyuubi was used more than just summoning Bunta, Naruto would have likely done better against slow Gaara.
I KNOW, I DID SAY NARUTO ONLY USED KYUUBI'S CHAKRA TO SUMMON BUNTA Honestly man, I'm not trying to downplay Naruto, I'm just more annoyed with how Sasuke gets downplayed constantly while Naruto gets free passes.
He was, but against Naruto he didn't really use the speed to his advantage. Naruto's speed is good enough that he was able to save Sakura out of nowhere without even Kakashi noticing. He was also able to keep up with Omoi and Karui, though I'm not sure if this is really a speed feat. Not only that but he was able to defend against Deva Path in base mode, who was able to keep up with Sharingan Kakashi.
He was still moving though. The main reason, apparently, for the damage was because Kyuubi's chakra was forcibly withdrawn. This never happened to Naruto again despite goin 8 tails and nearly 9 tails. I think it was the same when Naruto was fighting Kyuubi? Half of him turned into Kyuubi but when the chakra got withdrawn there was no sign of damage.
Gaara was a bloody psychotic murdered at the time, Naruto was scared shitless when Gaara's bloodlust hit him the first time in the forest. He was definitely risking his life.
You underestimate Gaara at the time, he was all for murdering every single Konoha villager for the fun of it
Well it was still moving because it almost broke out, but again Pein shrugged it off. Still for the Naruto vs Kyuubi fight I believe the change was so quick that it didn't had the time to set it off, while against Pein the damage caught up to him after the talk with Nagato, when adrenaline and everything went off. He was so tired he couldn't even stand, and Kakashi had to drag him to the village.Quote:
Very much like Gai "conveniently" felt the after effect of the gates when Kisame trapped the whole lot in the water prison.
As in actual death, like the Desert Coffin. Not like fighting a murderer. With jutsu like Desert Coffin, Naruto was very likely to die, whereas against Gaara, he had a chance of winning. Different situation. I never said Naruto wasn't risking his life.
Pain was still awed at its power, though if Nagato wasn't low on chakra, who knows? Not that I mind with Naruto's exhaustion, kind of. Shows how far he was willing to go for Jiraiya and village.
To be honest, I still kinda orgasm whenever I remember Naruto saving Sakura, or hte way he caught Karui's sword. That was so epic.
It is scientifically proved that Naruto with a cloak is 100000% more awesome than his normal self. That's why Kishi implemented a cloak in his Kurama Mode, because so he will not fail grandiously
When he saved Sakura I really can't say that I liked him because he saved Sakura. He was the villain of the situation, Sasuke was doing all of us a favour
Nooo, Naruto was more awesome in Part I than in Part II. The way he was all outclassed but being all "BITCH I AIN'T GONNA GIVE UP" and then proceeded to pummel noobs. Albeit usually with Kyuubi's help, but still. Naruto back then would have made a mincemeat out of Pain in the end. D: ... okay, personality wise he was superior.
Sakura's hot. And she could still be useful. I hope. D:
And while some Uchiha fans may stretch the abilities of Uchiha's, Minato and Jiraiya fans just like to make up facts, especially about Minato that aren't even plausible. Although my personal favorite is certainly that Jiraiya's hair can "stop" Amaterasu and protect him. That always makes me giggle.
a pissed Sage Naruto is downright scary.
As for Sakura, she sunk so low as a character that I can't see beyond her flaws, and her looks are a part of it, be as it may I can't like a girl with pink hair. Ino ftw!
In terms of overall power and ability to kill anyone Naruto is right below Edo Madara. He's that strong.