And while he does have to grow up, he doesn't need to lose his never give up attitude and some of his stupidity due to wantin to prove himself, like stabbing his hand and makign a vow. Naruto's strategies are awesome, Kishi should make him use more of his strategies. The things Naruto came up with were pretty unique, like how he used his clones to do a version of Uzumaki Naruto rendan on Gaara or how he managed to get around Pain's Rin'negan sight by creating a dust field and attacking Naraku from above.
He was determining gender, the armadillo was rolled up and refused to show its privates, adn then the island got shaken up by Deidara's bombs. Naruto saw its privates. <_<
I doubt his fandom has anything to do with the hatred. The excuses used to hate on him looks more like attempts to justify hating him because he's stronger than Naruto, or was.Quote:
Really? I rarely found such argument here whereas with Sasuke haters, it's the same thing. "He's overpowered! He's haxxed! Sasuke got free gifts!" The only problem I have is that they allow Naruto to get a free pass, and try to excuse it with stuff like "Naruto paid the price with his parents' lives and childhood!"
The annoying thing about some Sasuke fanboys is how they knock down Naruto or Naruto's intelligence though.
Same. Naruto's strategies were just amazing to watch. None of that "durr, bijuu mode FRS!", but he actually fought and planned to win. Neji vs. Naruto was awesome because of the way Naruto worked hard, how he crawled through the ground and beat Neji. Same with Sasuke vs. Yoroi.Quote:
Naruto vs. Kiba is an example of why Naruto wouldn't be fodder without Kyuubi. Same with his fight against the Mist genin before they finished the Forest of Death part of the exam. His power came from his refusal to give up, Kyuubi wouldn't have helped him if Naruto just said "oh shucks, can't use my chakra. I give up, Neji wins!"
so how come tobirama didnt know how to break the contract and he was the jutsu creator?
Or Kishimoto simply retconned it to make it possible, just as Oda did with Haki. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one.
There's no possible way to retcon this though. Tobirama didn't have freewill for more than a minute after he was summoned, so it's unsure if he could free himself or didn't know how to. Or he knew he couldn't do anything while the caster was still alive and could still control him, since we saw Kabuto lose control of Edo Tensei when Madara began to disappear.
And stop with the jokes, the amount of time they were talking before Oro put the seals on them was enough time for Sho-and Nidaime to make hundreds of seals, if not I wouldn't even rank them as jounin. Character that jump at non tracable speed are capable of forming eight hand seals within the introduction they had. Why wouldn't he know the secret to his own jutsu, while Madara could? That would be as illogical as it gets. I'm a hundred percent sure that Kishimoto didn't plan so far ahead. This is the man that wasn't capable of writing a Kakashi/Sakura arc in years despite his talk about doing so.
Now that I think about it, Kishimoto did treat Anbu forces like shit in this war. Was there really nobody capable besides Kakashi on the good side of Konoha or some strong ones from the neighbouring countries... I wish he would have given them some time to shine.
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ANBU has almost always been treated like shit.
You're exaggerating the amount of time they had. While they should have been able to pop off a jutsu or two, Orochimaru wouldn't have let them do it. Though, not sure if Orochimaru had SOME control over the -ramas without the fudas, but even Madara didn't want to use the seals unless he had to.
But, why would Tobirama want to use Edo Tensei on himself? Even if he could cancel it, he might not have, which woudl have scared him. Even as a hokage, he was hesitant in volunteering to be a decoy since the risk of death was high... maybe he feared he'd chicken out on canceling the Edo Tensei on himself.
Dunno. Same as how Minato knew or guessed chidori's weakness before Kakashi used it or how Naruto didn't know about kage bunshin's ability to transfer experiences despite using it thousands of time, although it's not his technique. I think Edo Tensei being able to use the seal to stay as an Edo Tensei is a retcon than Tobirama not knowing its weakness, which might make sense if it's never happened to him before. Madara could have been desperate enough to try using the same seals to prevent him being canceled, hoping it'd work.
The time they needed to speak those lines was not enough? I'm not exaggerating.Quote:
Maybe he would sacrifice himself as a previous Hokage to save his village from total destruction. Fear for himself shouldn't play a role in that kind situation and would make him look like a selfish person, something I hope he wasn't at any time of his life.
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The fact that ET can use the seals to avoid the technique canceling on him is a retcon, like an excuse to keep Madara in play. Makes no sense to me.
Last edited by chilibun; July 04, 2012 at 01:03 PM.
It can't be an Uchiha jutsu if Orochimaru, Tobirama, and Kabuto were able to use it. That must mean Madara rarely ever used ET, then, as the jutsu's only associated with Tobirama before Orochimaru's time.
Him saying it's a Uchicha jutsu, doesn't stop it from being usable by non-Uchihas too, it's a "normal" jutsu not a dojutsu after all, just saying. You read to much into the post. It was Tobirama that invented it, that much should be clear from reading the manga.
Tobirama not breaking himself free of ET while Madara being able to isn't necessarily a retcon. There could be reasons why Tobirama didn't do it, IF Kishi planned that far ahead. The whole being able to break free of ET is stupid, it makes no sense.
Point taken. We have seen Sharingan and Byakugan be usable by anyone, but Sharingan apparently uses up more chakra on Non-Uchihas.
As for ET, its obvious that its not an Uchiha specific technique. I'm just saying based on recent events and the general trend of Kishi's BS writing, I wouldn't be surprised at all if ET was developed or related to Madara. Nothings needs to be consistent or make sense anymore in Naruto. Kishi will throw random plot twists just for the sake of having a plot twist.