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tbh imo hiruzen had no balls.
he knew almost everything what was going on but never did anything :/
I went overboard when i said Mei souldn't be given title Kage but still she shouldn't doubt like that as a Kage. She's not just a normal shinobi, SHE'S A DARN KAGE
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http://www.mangareader.net/93-48-16/...hapter-43.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-48-18/...hapter-43.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-48-19/...hapter-43.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-49-6/n...hapter-44.html This was just the first stage to pass the chunin exam, now imagine what test participants for the title Kage had to go through ^_^... Part 1 Sasuke faced Orochimaru and he attacked fearlessly without any reluctance even though he knew that he stood no chance against him. Sarutobi didn't run when he was facing the previous Kages and he didn't hasitate. Somethings u cannot run from situations and the Kage vs Madara is one of that situations because this war decides everything.
Need I point out that even a Kage should know when the odds are against them. Just look at Minato. So the idea that she should be willing to stick around in a hopeless situation against an opponent who's literally being playing around with them just because she's a Kage, instead of actually employing some tactical thinking, is ridiculous. There's nothing to gain by continuous repeating the same tricks against Madara.
The retreat scenario shouldn't work for 2 reasons:
Madara can probably catch them anyway and the Kages will end up wasting more Chakra and Stamina while Madara is full.
Madara could easily threaten & mock by saying something like this " If u cowards leave, ALL THE SHINOBI WILL AROUND WILL DIE BY MY HABD!!!"
The Kages don't have time to rest as u put it. 1 hours isn't enough to rest up chakra and against a beast like Madara who only needs 5secs to destroy mountains, the idea of resting while other shinobi is dying vs Madara is catastrophic. It's hamful and shameful to the title Kage and people other shinobi might even considered the Kages selfish cowards who considered their safety while they let other shinobi to die.
They must end him here and now because retreating to get reinforcements is extremely harmful.
If anything it would better if reinforcements contact them that the have a plan to help trap and defeat Madara.
It would be much better if the Kages retreat from Madara because reinforcements already formulated a plan to help defeat Madara than to just retreat without a plan made already because that will be dangerously putting the shinobi people at risk of dying. Get it?
Time is something they do not have!!
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In fact I'll be shocked if the Kages were just left alone like that without shinobi eye's watching them and by shinobi eyes i meant people in the headquarters like Inoichi Yamanaka or Shikaku Nara or others Yamanaka clan
The Alliance forces would have multiple healers that would be well rested given the state of the war, who could heal and restore the Kages stamina back to their peak. How do you think their fellow ninjas are gonna feel if Madara ends up killing the Kages? You don't think that things will be even more catastrophic and hopeless if the Alliance forces learn the five strongest ninjas were all taken down by him? You really think some temporary shame while the Kages prepare for another round is more harmful then the complete lost of hope done by their deaths?
The whole point is that they can't end him here. That's what they been attempting to do and failing at every turn. They haven't even been able to touch him, except when he allowed them to. Exactly how long are they suppose to stand there, getting weaker and weaker while Madara remains at his best, before they reach the point of simply acting suicidal? They don't get points for trying and failing, all that matters is succeeding. And if that means retreating for a while, then that's what they need to do. Worrying about appearances and opinions when the fate of the world is resting on their shoulders is ridiculous. The only thing to worry about is winning, by any means necessary.
Sorry Kay3795, but you seem to not understand the need for a tactical retreat when the odds of winning are nearing 1%. Your explanation for how they would have a chance make no sense, as they are the top fighters of their respective villages. Those are shinobi, not samurai, going kamikaze would be fatal.
I assume Kishimoto pull out a twist, some unexpected shit again to let them win somehow or Sasuke will somehow miraculously be able take him down.
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And well, an healty Nagato would stand above everyone bar Hashirama and Madara, maybe.
Hiruzen had morals, and while, as Danzou said, he would do what was right when the time would come, he always seemed pretty lenient towards anything. I doubt he would approve on Danzou's actions on Ame, or at the orphanage, good of Konoha or not.
Shukaku proved to be still more smart than his son, while Chouji... Yes, we can say he surpassed his father, true.
And Naruto definitely surpassed Yondaime, hell if Sage Mode would sense Hiraishin's kunai even Naruto without Kyuubi would be comparable to him.
A true ninja is someone who doesn't give up no matter the odds, and if by dying he or she would save the world, so be it. Did Hiruzen despair when he fought against immortals such as Hashirama and Tobirama? Despite being old, and having to face Orochimaru too?
Did Yondaime despair when he had to face Kyuubi, and then sacrifice his life and Kushina's to save Konoha and gave his son the means to fight Tobi?
What would retreat and think accomplish? What message would it give if the 5 Kages combined would run, when the army fought immortals, shape shifting guys and other shit?
What would it accomplish to die? The moral would go to zero. They used everything they had and Madara took it as childplay. What method or technique can you imagine them to win this? Somebody using the dead god jutsu? Lame. Win through friendship? This is no Fairy Tail.
Better a Kage that died like a hero than a Kage that ran with his tail firmly behind his back, morale-wise.
As for suicide kind of jutsu Anko, a special jounin with no redeeming features, had a double suicide jutsu, meaning that Kishi can easily let one of them pull it off with no problem. They have to stop Madara, if not, the world is gone unless Naruto, again, will save their ass.
But can the 5 leaders of the world let on Naruto's shoulders not only Tobi, the one who has 7 Bijuus at his disposal and arguably the most powerful being alive, but also an immortal Madara? And Sasuke too, if he feels like it?
Like Oonoki said is not a matter of being able to do it, is a matter of doing it regardless. If they must retreat, at least they shouldn't seem as scared as 12 years old boys and girls taking the first exam of the Chunin selection.
And even if they do retreat, what will they accomplish? This isn't a strategic retreat, is Madara sparing them and them being scaredy-cats. Would a village being ruled by such spineless cowards? I don't think so, since, with the exception of Gaara and Oonoki, the others didn't accomplished a damn thing in this war, they simply let others do their job for them
iThey would be able to think about a different approach and let some medical teams refill their chakra reserves. Tsunade might be full again, by why should Madara let them heal in the middle of their fight? He's arrogant, not dumb.
Retreating from an open field while the enemy is shooting with a minigun is not spineless. Retreats aren't spineless, they safe hopeless lifes. They have like 50percent of the total shinobi alliance's power, losing that would be fatal.
Not saying that they will do that, as Kishimoto will somehow pull a win, only that at this moment their chances of winning are pretty low unless he introduces something new and unexpected.
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