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J-Man met them when the war was ending - they could have been wrapping things for many years as it happens ... its not like Hanzou saying hey Sannins you're good ended thing, especially since it wasn't his war. We will know soon enough how and when Madara died ...
Actually battles in the 3rd war must have been between all 5 countries as we've seen Minato and A's fight ...
I fail to see how the lines affect any sort of timeline at all. By that logic, Orochimaru left the village before Jiraiya began training Minato, which makes no sense seeing as he was still around just before Minato was chosen for Hokage.
The Sannins were returning to Konoha when they met the Ame Orphans and Jiraiya choose to stay with them. They wouldn't have been leaving and Jiraiya couldn't have taken three years off and then return to Konoha if the war was still going on. And the incident with Kumo was a separate skirmish, as it didn't end until well after the Third War had ended.
Nagato was trained first.
He met that at the end of the 2nd War.
The war that Minato fought in before he became Hokage was the 3rd.
I create a timeline 3 years ago, that still stands right now, I believe.
You can see it here if you want: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...06#post1363406
Last edited by THM Nindo; July 30, 2012 at 01:39 PM.
Last edited by Rikudou King; July 30, 2012 at 10:36 PM.
And is it safe to use the red marks on jiriyas face to indicate time/age...
Also there might be an error made by Kishi .. but the timeline Nindo made fits very well
Or the lines simply don't matter. And not really. If we presume that the Ame orphans were somehow trained before Minato, then that means that we would have to add 15+ years onto everyone and that doesn't work.
Last edited by Rikudou King; July 31, 2012 at 12:04 PM.
This is Minato during the 3rd war:
This is the Ame Orphan during the 3rd war:
Seem pretty much the same to me.
According to my timeline, Jiraiya would have gone home and start training Minato right after he left the Ame Orphans, which would make the Ame orphans a few years older than Minato.
I do agree though, that if you look at them now (Konan, for example), she certainly look younger than people that would be Minato's age (Shikaku, etc).
I already stated in my timeline, that the only thing I wasn't sure of, was the order of Jiraiya's training.
Did he train Minato or Nagato first? I'm not sure yet...
But the alternative, that he read it after Jiraiya came back and published it isn't good.
- We know that Jiraiya finished the book 3 years after the 2nd great war.
- We know that Minato fought during the 3rd great war and wasn't Hokage during that time.
- We know that Minato was Hokage when he read the book and that it was only months before the Kyubbi attack.
With those fact, for it to work, the 3rd great war would have to occur pretty much at the same time as the 2nd great war, or at least during the time Jiraiya was training Nagato, and that simply doesn't make sense.
Hanzou and Danzou tricked Akatsuki (when it was runned by an alive Yahiko) during the 3rd war (the same with Kakashi gaiden)
After that the Rain Country was in a civil war between Hanzou and Pain for many years.
It probably ended between part 1 and part 2.
As you said, there was some of Hanzou guys in the Chunnin exams.
Furthermore, the guy that Jirayia interogate inside the frog's belly says that they only won the civil war "recently".
But, I'm not sure how this whole Hanzou thing would really change my timeline?
The fact that Pain killed Danzou only 1-3 years ago wouldn't really affect the order of Jiraiya's training.
When I have more time, I'll look back into it.
Not so much about the Hanzou stuff, it's more about their age (Konan vs Minato's generation) that bothers me.
I will see if I made a mistake somewhere and might change my timeline.
Last edited by THM Nindo; August 02, 2012 at 04:25 PM.
the fact that yahiko,konan and nagato(before GM) were all skillful enough to threaten the leaf and hanzou's people...says alot.
that means minato was of no concern to nagato and co...because danzou would obviously not have had to get involved with hanzou.
But as I mentioned before, we know Minato graduated at the age of ten and was 25~29 when he became Hokage (was younger then 30 year old Kakashi when elected). We know the Third War began roughly 20 years ago (the time when Sasori left Suna and soon after killed the Third Kazekage, starting the Third War) and lasted about three to four years (Minato was Hokage a little under a year I believe). And 10 years before that the Second War was going on (Sasori began making puppets when he was five, after Sakumo killed his parents during the war). Even presuming that Sasori's parents died at the end of the war, that would only be seven years before the Third War began, which seems not enough time for Minato to be trained by Jiraiya and then take his own team of genins up to chuunins (would have had them for five years, Obito and Rin graduated at 9* and were 13 by the end of the Third War). In addition, as mentioned by someone before, around the time Kushina came to Konoha, Uzushio and the Uzumaki clan still existed and considering that so far all the students we've seen in a single class have been within the same age group, Kushina being in the same class as Minato likely meant that they were similar in age. So given this, Nagato's family had to have been scattered after Kushina came to Konoha and met Minato in the academy**.
And while exactly a point on a timeline, when Nagato tells Naruto about what happen with Hanzou, he refers to the group as children***.
* I decided Minato's genin team was formed when Obito and Rin graduated, since Kakashi graduated 3 years before his teammates.
** I have no idea where Karin would fit given she's much younger then either of them.
*** Though this is countered by Chouji's comment about Yahiko looking 25~30.
It's very possible he trained Minato first and Minato participated in the 2nd shinobi war, just not in Ame like Jiraiya and the Sannin did.
The White Fang fought in this war as well, he killed Sasori's father in it. It's very likely that Minato could have fought under him on another front.
And we can't say Minato would have been too young to fight at this point, because Itachi was 5 years old and he fought in the 3rd Shinobi War. Kakashi was 13 and had command over his own squads in the 3rd war.
Also keep this in mind, if Jiraiya already trained his students and they were promoted, he would have no need to return for Konoha. Despite being lax with him as far as his duties, I doubt Sarturobi would have allowed him to fuck around in a shit hole of a country for three years if he was supposed to come home and train the villages latest prodigy.