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Ichigo is Ichigo.
Kaien WAS Kaien.
-She could see Isshin without doubt. How does 1 procreate with a gigai?
-Isshin met her somehow, so why could he not be a zero squad member looking after these descendants of the Shiba (in my hypothesis) And eventually fell in love with her.
What im going at is the fact that humans cannot see souls/shinigamis/hollows. (unless they are quincy).
Ichigo shows no sign of being Quincy at all , im not saying its impossible but youd expect him to have some power related to it if his mother were one. At least i would.
Yet he has a huge shinigami power so huge that it dazzles the captains of the gotai. Byakuya even insists his power is not bankai cause its for the elite amongst shinigami.
Isshin shows his power late in the manga, being that of Captain lvl, this to me shows that he is beyond Kaien in power, mainly because we dont see people rise or fall that fast in soul society and Kaien in SS terms isnt dead that long. Why would Isshin who also has another name Kurosaki be related to Kaien yet not the head of the Shiba? First off hes stronger, 2nd he has another last name.
Btw he does mention his sword is that of captain lvl when taking down the grand fisher. So he doesnt say hes a captain but of that lvl. For 1 the 0 squad are all captain + lvl since they only recruit that lvl, so rank wise its a demotion but prestige wise its a promotion. I doubt all 0 squad members are called captain .
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My suspection is that the Shiba does not have a official male heir. Ganju has to be adopted like Rukia is for example. And Kukaku as far as we know has no son.
If there is a half human bloodline of the Shiba in itself it would be a scandal ofc. But rules are rules and if its true like i hypothesize Ichigo could be that male heir. Through his mother.
Also it would make sense for the 0 squad to be there to protect these distant relatives.
Like i said earlier the Shiba could be a cousin bloodline to the royal line, making it possible for them to inherrit the soul kings throne if the soul king has no male heir.
The soul king in turn could have ordered his 0 squad to protect the kurosakis at all cost ( especially Ichigo) since he could be the next heir.
A reasonable thoughtline could be that the other nobles wouldnt like to take orders from a halfbred human, and have him rule over them. So they would try to kill him. If word ever slipped about this.
This would explain a lot about different aspects that i incorporate into this theory ^^.
-Aizen knew of Ichigo he knew his potential (royal blood?)
-0 squad is practically on their doorstep (Yuruichi is always close as well as Urahara < exiled my ass )
-Ichigos mother had to be able to see Isshin also in soul form, i do not think they met while he was in gigai, and his personality doesnt seem to suport the idea of him living a lie (like he would keep his shinigami life a secret).
-Ichigo looks like Kaien< notice that Aizen doesnt even mention this, and he knew Kaien. His resemblance can mean many things but i think its possible that he looks like a Shiba, more then like Kaien. What i mean is that maybe its not Kaien he takes after but Kaiens father ( if Kaien looks like his father as well). Either way someone did more then just hunt hollows in the human world ^^. After all someone can look like his grandfather or greatgrandfather, if the appearance is inherrited strongly. Kaien could be his great-uncle rather then a direct line.
Lets say Kaiens father fooled around on earth, had a son with a woman, that son again had a son,that son would then be Masakis father. Masaki has Ichigo. And there you go Ichigo is the only male with Shiba blood left.
I bring this back up because Ichigos sisters talk about the funeral of their grandfather where they allegedly met with their cousin (Tsukishima ofc). Well Tsukishima being there is fake but the funeral had to be real since he cant change events.however The grandfather was alive prior to Ichigos birth. Thus if my theory is correct a male heir always existed, and the Shiba were never without a direct male heir ^^. Only now Ichigo is the last male left then in this theory. Hope its not to complicated haha.
Last edited by ca12nag3; March 06, 2012 at 10:50 AM.
I gotta say that i'm as interested as some of you are about procriation and desease in the shinigami world.
Nobles are souls born in Seireitei, unless the person is adopted. Is there a form of procriation to make this happen? Or is this a random event from a higher power?
Does a sick person develop the desease in Seireitei or does the person bring it from the living time? Or maybe both.
I don't know if Kubo will ever answer any of these mysteries, but i'd like to know what is the Bleach logic.
Taking from Byakuyas reactions and words its not common for a noble to take a commoner (newcomer soul) as spouse. Or to even adopt them in your family. Both his love for his wife and his promise to her as she was dieing made him bend/break those rules/traditions.
Also he doesnt think highly of the Shiba, his reaction towards Ganju is more then cold. More like mockery. I suspect that without a male heir a house falls and does no longer exist at least not on a prestige lvl.
Kaien always was good with the commoners and didnt think more of himself. This might as i suspect not fall good with the other nobles, and they would for sure welcome the Shibas downfall.
So far we only know about 3 of the former 5 (now 4) great houses, thats Yuruichis, Byakuyas and the Shiba. The other 2 are unknown.
Next few chapters should be a roller coaster ride. Question is how many Vandenreich members are there? Ganging up on Yama is one thing, but to take all captains and VCs, is a different story.
And about Ichigo's mother, I think it not likely that she is a shinigami, if she were, he wouldn't be half human. I believe that she was in a sense like Orihime, her power grew around Isshin. If this were true, then Ichigo having a fullbring makes perfect sense, as the hollow wouldn't of attacked her because of Ichigo in the womb, but because she herself had high spiritual pressure (his being too far inside of him to sense). Then she was attacked, and killed. when the same hollow, or another, came to attack her. But instead, he targeted Ichigo, making his mother try and save him, thus kill her.
I think it would make a lot of sense if Ichigo's father, in a sense, is like Ichigo. Think about it. Isshin is like Ichiigo, Ichigo's mom is like Orhime, Isshida's dad is like Isshida, and Chad's grandpa (if you noticed, he was able to take a lot of punches like chad, maybe the necklace around Chad's neck was his Grandpa's, or dad's fullbring item) is like Chad. Not sure if that is true.
There is said to be five noble families, now four with the loss of the Shiba clan's nobility. Two are unknown, this could be one of two things. Ichigo's house isn't part of the Kings, yet protector of the King. Which is the reason why everyone urged Ichigo to defeat Aizen (no one went Bankai when they could have again st Aizen). This would also mean that Ichigo's dad was probably a member of the 0 Squad; all very possible.
Another could be that Ichigo's house is indeed tied to the King, whereas he is on his path to the throne. With this, everyone could be in on helping Ichigo become powerful, maybe all the King's are half-human half-shinigami, or part shinigami, human, and hollow, thus linking everything together. With this, it is possible to believe that Isshin wasn't part of the 0 squad but in fact an ex Captain Commander who left for a reason, giving the old man his position back (out of retirement).
I just think its improbable. as much as i like the idea of him being related, with your theory of masaki being a shinigami it just doesn't make sense why ichigo would be human. Obviosly isshin is a captain level or higher shinigami. So if two shinigami had kids would it not make sense that the kid would be a shinigami. That fact remains. The only other way would be if ichigo and his sisters were in gigai's the whole time, which how would they keep that from them? I'm just saying that maybe ichigo's mom was a full bringer or quincy. thats the only human powers we know of. Even if ichigos mom had any of these powers, why wouldn't she have the powers to fight off the grand fischer. i get the whole mom throwing herself under the bus to save him thing but if she had strong powers i think she could have limited the damage enough to retreat. She had some powers though, she was able to talk to ichigo through the grandfischer. If its that she had no powers at the time, why would it be that isshin and her didn't have any powers, what experiment did they do? was it so a shinigami could have kids with a human? too many questions.
I know many wouldn't like to see it but id like to see yuzu and karin develop some powers, i mean if they're related to ichigo its likely their powers are similar to his. They have the potential to be ultimate warriors like ichigo. Maybe it'll have to wait till they're his age since his was activated when he was a mid teen. That'd pose some interesting developments. We know they too have spiritual powers, and its been hinted at many times. So why wouldn't theirs activate? Karin clearly said last arc that she wanted to protect ichigo this time. does that mean she's working on it. Urahara's been keeping a close eye on her as well. if it were the case in all likelihood they would have the same bankai or at least getsuga tenshous, since isshin has it as well.
the whole pureblood thing intrigues me as well but well see that soon i hope.....
@ Punisher 6 I agree...I would love for Kubo to develop Yuzu and Karin's spiritual powers...I think he was foreshadowing Karin's development during the FullBring Arc so i am pretty sure we will see more of her in the future...Not much has been shown concerning Yuzu though but im hopeful that her powers will increase as well and that they might even get to fight some fairly strong opponents.
If you guys/gals haven't checked it already, we have a dedicated thread for discussion about Noble and lesser noble families.
So i dont get why your saying that i claim Ichigos mom was a shinigami.