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Don't know what the big deal is. Sasakibe achieved Bankai before Shunsui and Kyoraku, but almost never used it. That means that he can't be as strong as best captains, since we heard from Byakuya that it takes like 10 years of training with Bankai in order to master it. If he barely used it, it means he couldn't have been as proficient in it as captains who used it a lot more.
Yeah, in the interest of continuity, I'll buy that Ichigo took him by surprise on that hill (never should have been Sasakibe, a vice-captain to captain commander).
This arc is definitely heavily influenced by the historic foundations of the German Reich under Adolf Hitler (as the Führer und Reichskanzler).
But with a touch of Stalin.
The chapter also confirmed that Yamamoto is the first and only CC of Gotei 13 and Sasakibe has been his VC during this time, we had a discussion about it recently. The line about "capturing bankai" confused me a bit, what does "capture" mean in this context: "Take control of it and use as your own" or "Remove it out of play like a chess piece"? It's as if they lock it up in a medallion.
how are people so eager to hate on a guy who's probably only younger than Yama-ji himself when we've never seen him fight, all because he got one punched by ichigo?, EVERYONE kept getting taken by surprise by Kurosaki Ichigo in the period of the rescue arc, why have weall suddenly forgotten this? if you can be satisfied with Ichigo being incredibly lucky in that arc than why couldnt have he gotten incredibly lucky against Sasakibe or even more so since we know the guy doesnt like to fight much, what if Sasakibe didnt try much? no? does that all seem far fetched?
but its ok when Ikkaku doesnt use his power, cuz we already know he's tougher than that....there's no difference JUST because we didnt already know how tough Sasakibe really was...as a matter of fact what Ikkaku did in a time of extreme danger/war is far worse than if Sasakibe didnt try against random Ichigo trying to save one of their own....we act like Sasakibe was the only person who didnt really try against Ichigo during that time
lets keep it real, Ichigo could have easily got one punched by Yama-ji, Shunsui, Ukitake, Gin, Aizen, Unohana had he run into any one of them even his bankai wouldnt have saved him from any of those ppl at the time....i mean really come on ppl, just because its no-screen-time-Sasakibe we suddenly dont believe its possible for him to have been a powerful character?
there's no real fight or situation that any of you haters (playfully relax :P) can bring up to justify these assumptions of Sasakibe's weakness and the fact that we have precedence of a character refusing to use the power they have makes it sound even more like ridiculous hate and purely unwarranted hate
there are many signs that can easily justify him being a very powerful shinigami,
-for one like someone else mentioned the more senior shinigami tend to be more powerful that has been Kubo's style thus far,
-for another thing, the explanation given about Bankai mastery points to the fact that you get better the more years you train with it, and he's REAL old, even if his bankai isnt say as powerful as the senior captains he would probably have more mastery of it which would significantly shorten any gap
- being essentially 2nd in command to an absolute no-nonsense guy like Yamamotto Genryusai for sooo damn long MUST count for something, Does yama-ji look like the kind of guy who'd pick a weakling as his 2nd in command?
- and with the crazy variety of zanpakuto techniques such as Shunsui's for example its been made quite clear that in Bleach overwhelming power isnt always gonna win, this is pretty much accurate unless you run into freaks like Ichigo or Kenpachi
i'm sure im missing some stuff and i could go on but the point is, it seems imo the death of the 2nd in command isnt something to joke about just because we barely got to see the guy i mean hell we've barely seen Unohana unsheathe her zan and yet we all give HER the benefit of the doubt, we all believe she's incredibly powerful (and i def think she probably is) but there seems to be some sort of bias with sasakibe and there has been for a while, but i stand to the point that it doesnt make sense for Yama-ji of all ppl to have a weak 2nd, seems logical to me i dunno
the fact that we see a funeral with Captains looking extremely sullen the respect they have for him, must be for something
oh well from a reader's perspective i can agree its hard to feel like its a big loss since we never got a chance to know who he was, but to think its not a significant hit to the Gotei 13 in a WAR i disagree there for sure
looks like kisuke will be joining ichigo in hueco mundo. and ishida not going could set up him joiningg the other quincys and going against ichigo if his dad is with them.
HERE WE GO!!! THIS IS THE TIME WHEN ALL BANDWAGONERS UNITE AND START MAKING SASAKIBE SEEM GOD LIKE.
First of all who said that sasakibe was stronger than kyorauku and ukitake, just because he had bankai before them does not mean anything and here we go I'll prove it. Ichigo has had a bankai for a far shorter time than all the captains, yet he is unquestionably stronger than many captains.
Come on bandwagonners stop making baseless assumptions, I honestly see it as kubo just came up with this idea in a short instant because I remember how easily he got pawned by ichigo back in the soul society arc
in another board it was said that in the the souls datatbook in 2006 it said that sasakibe was captain level but he did not want to leave Lieutenant because of Yamamoto
i gotta point out i already stated i've been defending sasakibe since chpater 365 as he was called weak and useless back then too, callin ppl out for baseless assumptions cuz what? you arent making baseless assumptions in assuming he IS weak lol....a lil confusing
and i do still agree that there was never a reason to assume he's stronger than those ppl since all it said was he got his bankai first, but then to go on and use Ichigo as an example is absolutely ridiculous, Ichigo is the exception to every rule, if you are now finding that out in chapter 486 thats a whole other thing....its pretty much pointless to use him to prove anything....
but i agree all bandwagonners who were hating on sasakibe before this cahpter thats weak lol
There is nothing wrong with people joining this so called "bandwagon"; the observation that people often do and believe things because many other people do and believe the same things.
In a more collective consciousness, this latest chapter only proved that Sasakibe was indeed a capable captain-class level shinigami. He was a very smart and skilled shinigami, whom in fact trained himself to summon his own Bankai before Ukitake and Kyorauku themselves. However, that conclusion is upon clause and effect. He could have easily surpassed the two if he decided on taking Captain leadership and urged for power. Rather, he stayed loyal as a VC, not training to surpass anyone.
It's not a baseless assumption as you make it out to be drzcoyotex3. Given the recent events, people have the reason behind their assumptions.
Take it from your perspective, you really are in no position to tell us otherwise if all you can do is compare the basis of power from Ichigo himself. Now that is a load of other context pertaining the story and the qualities portrayed.
I would not refrain myself from assuming that Sasakibe himself was far more qualified than Ukitake and Kyorauku of past events. Using the term "stronger" may be a little superficial to some, but really, neither do you know whether Ukitake and Kyorauku were actually still stronger than Sasakibe when HE mastered his bankai.
For what we know now, Sasakibe was surpassed by Ukitake and Kyorauku. Plain and simple.
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so bad guys are afraid of ichigo but can trash talk to yama-ji??????????????? wtf lol doesnt make sense.
Im glad we can see kisuke fight. Def. kisuke has a connection to these bad guys hence why kubo is making him go with ichigo.
and looks like its more than just a small evil organization, because it looks like a hidden civilization
Ha ha ha I am reading these comments and cannot help but notice these silly arguments sasabike who's name I just learned how to spell thanks to all these new comments was basically a throw away character. He has been used in all instances to make way for stronger characters or showcase their abilities this time however just happens to be the last hoorah so he got killed instead of off- paneled. If he was so loyal to Yama where was he when he was losing that arm. I would much rather have a fully capable Yama then a bankai user who refuses to use it. Why join the Gotei 13 if you live only to fight for one man.
i find it funny that everyones talking about sasakibe and no one has mentioned the fact that this chapter confirms that the new baddys are Quincy. (on the last page the flags that the soldiers are carrying have the quincy insignia on them)