Neither good, nor bad
I think I would disagree Shieky, I think a lot of the allure of Claymore came from the vagueness of the story at times and not so much details.
Also, I would almost say that Yagi would shift often between characters and not really give a lot of details, which kept things open for mystery and speculation (Irene, etc). This last arc has been Miria and Miria alone practically. Yagi has focused on Miria for so damn long and put an almost excruciating amount of focus on her fights with Hysteria. With the exception of Raki/Raftela, Cassandra/Roxanne, and the remaining Ghosts, we did not get much else to see.
Originally Posted by Claymore1
Ugh, I think I'm just gonna start calling them "MiB 1" "MiB 2" and so on until I get them right
While I completely agree on the ambiguity, which has always been a huge part of Claymore...he's shifting too much, he's accelerating to much - that's what I don't like...you may dislike that the Miria arc focused on Miria solely for so long, but once upon a time, it was the same thing with Claire...Originally Posted by Nixl
And while you may argue that she's an exception because she's the, cough, "main character"...I liked that focus...it's fine if Yagi wants to juggle between groups, but too much, and it becomes too chaotic - focus is too important...I'm all too happy for not having one character always get center-stage and not be the center of the universe...but I'm also not too happy when we get Claire/Deneve/Helen, Cynthia/Yuma, Alicia/Beth, Riful/Dauf/Priscilla, and freaking Raciella all at once...
Their needs to be a balance there...and while the little details may always have been arguably delieberately omitted (Cassie's flashback was largely just one giant black page with text) for the sake of ambiguity and imagination, I don't want that to be a convenient excuse for Yagi to ignore things.
I don't know....this is all so very subjective - It may all just boil down to me wishing Claymore stays the way I perceive and prefer the story, whatever that may be...the same way it is for everybody. I may see recent change, some people may see things remaining how it's always been since Day 1.
I don't want Claymore to stray too far from it's original roots and the warriors to abandon the island once thought to be the only land in the world to fight Dragons somewhere.....and other people may say this is just progress and their's no reason for anything else.
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That picture is golden Haeger; did you make that yourself?
yeah, saph got me the idea with his little dae conversation there
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Would you have preferred mister T?
Dae Pities da fool
No doubt if the Claymore picks up into a new series we're going to have a time skip and You know what I realized...Adult Miata *boy squeal* freaking awesome!
If there ever is a spinoff manga involving the mainland (I still doubt it will happen) I imagine it would involve a completely new cast of characters unrelated to Rabonna.
That was amazing all Although took me a while to read it but truly amazing specially Saph I liked your biology and genetics connection (which I will add to), and Shiek I totally agree with you about the slow movement in the plot but not too slow like Hysteria and Miria's battle but yes slow is better than light speed progression.
As for Saph I agree with the idea of ABs are stronger than the DoDs because lets take it like this:
DoDs ----> Yoma ----> Claymore ----> ABs
ABs ----> AFs
Now if we think about it in this way:
1- DoDs have their DNA but when it is mixed with a normal human DNA it gives a mutation (call it primary mutation) similar in all but differs slightly based on the genes of the human which gives on of these (or a combination) traits:
a- Sharp claws
b- Extended fingers
c- Flying Yoma
but all of them have this carve for human's flesh which means they need something from humans they can no longer produce (like a certain vital protein or hormone(if not protein derivative) or non-proteinic(don't know the spelling) enzyme) being a side effect of the primary mutation.
2- When you use Yoma's flesh and combine it with a human it gives a secondary mutation inwhich they can produce this vital product and the secondary mutation resulted in a more stable creature than the Yoma and even more powerful with the capability to go into a further mutation without the need of a human combination!
3- Claymores if went through the further mutation they lose the ability to produce this vital product and end up being like the Yomas (the primary mutation) but yet as powerful (if not stronger) as the source (the DoDs). Here this tertiary mutation 1 (1 because you can combine a secondary with a human like in Clare's case) actual genes resemble the sources not the humans or the other mutations as in the gives example:
Lets say we have the following genes to resemble a certain character: lets say nails shape and structure (traits of each character differs with each gene)
a- The DoDs have the gene A which gives them the trait of sharp claw for this character
b- The humans (lets say they only have two genes) B and b
c- If we combine A with B we will get AB which in turn sharp claws Yoma, but if we combine A and b it will give Ab which will give extended fingers (a new trait),
and if the human wasn't a pure one (Bb was his genotype) it will result in both AB and Ab (here lets assume that Ab produce an enzyme that inhibit AB) so the result will be extended fingers.
d- AB and Ab differ than AA in phenotype as AA is better than AB in terms of claws power and length.
e- If a Yoma gets combined with a human the Yoma's gene gets passed to the human not the opposite so based on the Yoma the Awakened Being will either resemble long fingers/nails(in case of Rigardo) or sharp claws.
f- Awakened Beings' genes when they mutate (tertiary mutation 1) their genes change again but this time they become something like the source's gene (a gene that resembles gene A) this gene can be the same as or better than the sources gene based on the human's and the Yoma's gene which differs between Awakened Beings.
4- Clare, they only Tertiary mutation 2 which resulted from the combination of a Claymore with another human which seems to be weaker which in this case I suppose it is due to the some stability of the body and the resemblance of humans more than the DoDs but still here I barely got anything to go on so I will leave it as is.
Now as I just mentioned ABs can be stronger than the DoDs due to the tertiary mutation 1 which resulted not in mixing of genes and combination of them but a complete makeover of the gene itself (in the nitrogenous bases which results in different amino acids and different proteins) which if combined with a human being it will give different traits and genes that of Yoma's (AB and Ab). This I suppose is the prove that ABs are stronger than the DoDs because they have better genes which affected the new off springs (the Yoma and the AFs) making the AFs stronger than Yomas.
I want my Clare time back.
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More than anything else, it also seems to strike me as it being really out of character for Rimuto to make these nice speeches and explain things. This isn't how Yagi even works. We don't get explanations, nor do things just work out this easily. Clare got put on the bus in order to make room for more of Miria's vengeance.
Sigh, I spend a few weeks without free time to even think about this manga, then I come back only to find this whole mess of the "end"... honestly, I don't know what to think. I wouldn't mind Yagi taking some time for himself in order to reconsider some things and improve a bit the general direction and pace the story has been following for some time, but a long hiatus... the last one doesn't bring back very good memories, it was the point where (IMO) Claymore began to lose what made it an outstanding and really special shonen.
I'll wait for the scanlation to come out in order to give a full opinion, but heh, right now I don't really know what to expect from all of this.
So is it true that Claymore has ended? Worst ending ever.