Neither good, nor bad
......It still feels unbelievable to hear all this - that Yoma are just infected people and not monsters created seemingly from nothing...I mean, the fact they were Men in base form I always saw as merely prejudice on the Org's part since they always seemingly preferred men and only went to females-only because they had no choice too...and in this dog-eat-dog world, men are almost always the ones inflicting hurt, in any way.
I guess the feeling I'm getting is that Claymore has always been breaking what we thought was universal...which is why I once said that for those who are more "conservative" in their opinions, this could be a bad time for them, even though what was shown in this chapter, Yagi has only confirmed what we've been fed in bits and pieces for, truthfully, years now.
It still feels so weird, surreal I guess...I wasn't really around, even on AS, during when Miria revealed the DoDs for the first time, but I imagine those that were felt the same way.
Last edited by littleangel; May 25, 2012 at 06:00 AM.
when is the spoiler around
I don't think that the Clare that we saw is a hellcat. lol During her short battle with Priscilla, she did get wounded, but those parasitic rods didn't pop out of her. The way I see it is when Clare defeated Raphaela in the mental world, Raphaela with her last remaining will expelled Clare's body along with her Claymore and her clothes from the Destroyer's body as foreign objects. However, I did think Clare's body did fused with the Destroyer's body briefly when Raphaela cut off Clare's head the first time. Imo, that first battle took place in Clare's mind and after that they were transferred to Raphaela's mind. So Clare since she did fuse with the Destroyer for a brief time, is comparable to Destroyer's body and with her strong will is able to control it. Again, there are still lots unanswered questions, so this is all speculation.
I hope we get more new information next chapter which is about a week away! woot! So close but yet so far... T_T
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Dae stated in Chapter 126 (page 10) that because the yoma's body break downs from overuse and reckless transformation, the parasite keeps changing the host. The organization fabricated information to the public that the yoma eat people and copy their physique and memories.
In other words, the parasite in some way can transfer itself from one person to another person when the initial person's body breaks down. The yoma doesn't copy the victim's physique or memories after they "eat" them, but in reality, it is the parasite that take control of the person's brain, thus it has control over the person's whole body and has access to their memories.
The lie Miria was talking in Chapter 126 is that the whole creation of Claymore to take care of yoma and the organization's rule of no killing human that binds them. Giving up their humanity for the sake of humanity without killing any human, but in reality the Claymore warriors were only killing human who had been infected by the organization. Thus, the rule that Claymore can't kill human is completely meaningless and so it is used by the organization to discreetly dispose of the warriors.
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Edit: Just found a spoiler pop up after posting this lol
Last edited by God Eye Galatea; May 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM.
Dae didn't state anything. You got the wrong guy, just for the record.^^Quote:
It was Rimuto.
I should be the one saying Huh?Quote:
If what you are saying is true then why do they cry?? truly if they are under the mercy of the parasite and not even the brain but the whole body and even its DNA! There is nothing left of that person so who come they can react like they want? Don't tell me it is well power because if so then they can break free if so which doesn't apply not even in reality! And what Miria said about the Yoma that they were eating and copying was a lie because they don't change their appearance because they are them all along and if what you say is true then why did Yoma Zaki didn't change his form or the Yoma in the cathedral? And if so were was Zaki before the attack and why was he there after? So let us do some math here, Zaki killed 7 people right? Now lets see what Clare stated about Yomas in chapter 6 that they need one each week or two then they start to need more so since he ate 2 from the very first week and it you add Zaki you get three (based on what you said) so to reach 7 dead bodies you need at least like 5 weeks which is a long time and all that he didn't change the host so when does he change the host? next year? All in all it tells us that the lie that Miria mentioned was all about the Yomas in changing in taking and in their existence as a new species which this little detail I can say they make a new species because they are truly no longer humans.
It was Rimuto and not Dae. >_< I got the names confused this time. lol
Infected people do develop an intense hunger for human intestines and thus it implies that they do attack and kill people for their intestines.
It never stated that the parasite changes its host after each kill... Rimuto o(>_<)o lol stated that the parasite change it host when their body breaks down from overuse and reckless transformation...
I only recalled seeing Raki's brother, Zaki cried, so when you used "they" I'm not sure who the other crying yomas were. The parasite takes possession of the person using their brain as a medium. Thus, it has access to all the victim's memories, so IMO in some way that person may be is still somewhere in there. So I guess that strong intense emotions and not strong will play a role in this crying reaction. If you feel strong intense emotions like witnessing your love one about to get kill, can you really control yourself and not shred tears? People can uncontrollably cry when they feel strong emotions, and they can't keep themselves from crying. Afterall, that yoma is only a parasite taking possession of Zaki's body and with access to his memories.
I am not sure what you mean that Zaki or the mummy didn't change their form? Zaki bulked up even his shirt is ripped apart and looked way like a typical yoma when he wanted to eat Raki. That mummy was still pretty bulked up for being a dead dried up body.
In addition, it is possible that the yoma's body that initially attacked Raki's parents and Zaki started to break down and the parasite in some way change its host to Zaki during that attack.
Miria, herself still considered that Claymore warriors are only killing infected human.
What I wrote on my last post are all from Chapter 126 and I only added some implications...
Last edited by God Eye Galatea; May 26, 2012 at 08:29 AM.
Second I did read the chapter before posting so I know you were quoting but what I think is happening is that what Rimuto said has many ways to understand plus no matter what he says there is more to it than he said add to that the lie could be understood in many ways which I did understand it the same as you did at the beginning then thought what if which made me speculate this theory which lots seemed to accept and take it as not a contradiction to what is said because the not can be applied on what he said before as the claimed lie by the Org. plus all the theory of emotions I did write about I suppose before somewhere in this thread which is close in principle to what you wrote.
And Finally I didn't talk about the transformation, I talked about changing their bodies(host) with time which never happened at all in the entire manga! And I do believe that are infected but can they be returned back? someone asked before and I responded as Dae would never do it because it is part of his personality that he is proud of his creations and as a result he will never destroy or ruin his creations in any way so with this in mind, can they come back? My answer is no. So can we still call them humans?
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BTW Galatea you are the replay N.600 Congratz
Well, it is not really about what we think if they are human or not. Miria herself still think that the Claymore creation is a lie, because all the warriors are doing were killing infected human.
Last edited by God Eye Galatea; May 26, 2012 at 09:08 AM.
True we all can agree that Yagi knows almost all the tricks in the book but this is what drew me to Claymore and one of the things I like is that you can discuss it and each time you get a different result And about:
Sorry you don't :P but technically you are the replay N.600 but the post N.601 but what matters in this forum are the replies because that's what you can see when we look at the numbers from the main page.Quote: