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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    I think one time thing. I always thought Atobe Kingdom is the upgrade version of World of Ice.
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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    I think one time thing. I always thought Atobe Kingdom is the upgrade version of World of Ice.
    Well, it kinda is. But the blind spots they can detect are different I believe. From what I understand, the blind spots found by KnS cannot be reacted to because you can't see the spot the ball is going to land in (so Irie could counter it with his wide field of vision) whereas AK searches for spots that you simply cannot physically reach. So the combined form is probably hitting the ball to a spot you can neither reach nor see if that makes sense.

    And well, there must be a bit more to it than a simple upgrade because otherwise there was really no reason why Atobe used both of them rather than only AK on that last point.

    ---------- Post added at 10:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:07 AM ----------

    Oh also, I keep forgetting this, but Sai told me that in volume 13, we get a clearer shot of Phoenix of Egypt. I don't have the page on me right now, but apparently it's a bit more zoomed out and you can see a phoenix shape heading towards Tokugawa. Basically Phoenix of Egypt seems to be Hoshi Hanabi, except it doesn't require a cord ball and aims straight at the opponent's head.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Well, it's not like it's going to find any new spot, but I can see it narrow down the spot down. Also, I think because the shot need to overlap (both cannot reach+cannot see) it should narrow its use even more.

    And either way, it just seem pretty useless. Users on Mouri level seem to have no trouble handling World of Ice (not too sure on this though). It seem to be mainly AK they have problem returning.

    Really, I think Atobe just use that to see as many possible places he can hit the ball to as much as possible, to open his options up. I think it's hardly in doubles to use tech like AK or World of Ice since it's useless unless that both opponents have the same blind spot. Even if one can't return the ball, the other can simply do it. Atobe probably use it to see if there's anywhere that, say, AK Mouri and World if Ice Ochi, or something along that line.
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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    So Sai and I were wondering why Tezuka started out with Hyakuren in his match against Volk instead of going TnK straight away. One theory Sai thought up is that by using Hyakuren, it's possible to hit Tezuka Phantom without putting a great burden on the arm.

    The idea is that, first of all, the current Tezuka wouldn't put his arm on the line any more, much less so in a practice match. Then it could be possible to use Hyakuren's doubled return to essentially use the opponent's spin in order to create at least a large part of the spin required to hit Phantom. The weakness of this combination could be that it's not useable if the opponent uses shots with extremely little spin.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Guys, where did you get to read those advanced chapters? How come in the website it's only showing chapters till where Ryoma is against the American squad?

    Sorry kinda noob at finding scans.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    There are no English scans of those chapters yet, we know what's going on from the Japanese and Chinese ones.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    So how do you guys feel about Bullfighting of Spain? For reference.

    It's hard to tell what it does exactly, but going by the middle panel and what Tokugawa says in the last panel, I feel like it might be a brute force shot, like bulls charging at you. Thoughts?

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    Given it's Blurriness it could be the force of a multi-ball strike like most of Byoudin's shots combined with pure power so either the power is multiplied or against normal payers the blurred shot makes it hard for the opponent to know exactly where to strike the shot to lessen the burden of handling the power shot. I expect the blurriness has more meaning than just violent shaking ball because besides Destruction, all of Byoudin's shots are themed around the Multi-Ball Strike.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Phoenix of Egypt is a single ball shot. For the blur, I've been wondering myself if it's actually a blur ball or if it just represents the bull theme somehow (e.g. multiple bulls) since you can't see it any more in the bottom panel.

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    I forgot about Phoenix. And if it is mostly a power shot than that would make since as a call back to Sanda's Match with Tezuka. Sanada attempted to break the impenetrable defense of the Zone and Phantom wiith the Head on Attacks of Ka and Rai, so it isn't out of the question to assume Byoudin thot he could break through Black Hole with a Head-On Power shot, though it does raise the question of Why Byoudin, as well versed in techniques that he is, thought he could out power the only defensive move better than Halt Destruct Nothingness that we've seen so far. Maybe Black Hole has a hidden weakness we don't know about. As for Bull Fighting of the Spanish I would still say Bull Fighting has to be more than just power because why use it instead of destruction if he just wanted power, so my idea that it has to involve that blur effect simply because it gives the shot a sense of uniqueness compared to Destruction.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Well, this was probably Byoudouin's first time seeing the black hole, he wouldn't know if it's possible to brute force your way through it. I think a blur/spread secondary effect seems to be the most likely though, yeah.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    I would Imagine though that Byoudin would have heard of the Black Hole during his travels if Oni and Irie knew about it, but I guess it's possible he just never heard about it.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    I've completely neglected posting about Duke Bunt here, haven't I. So, basically it seems like Bunt is a mix-up for Homerun - both moves seem to start with the same motion and obviously Homerun is a power shot whereas Bunt is a drop shot. Duke Bunt doesn't seem to have any other special qualities, its effectiveness probably comes from how wary the opponent is of eating a Homerun.

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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    So it's another Gyro laer+Tornado Snake style shot?
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    Re: Techniques Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    So it's another Gyro laer+Tornado Snake style shot?
    In a way, yes? It's more so that Bunt depends on Homerun to be effective though, but Homerun is still a great move with or without Bunt.

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