Last edited by kkck; April 19, 2012 at 08:40 PM.
You people are just jealous you don't have JMan's hair... You people are probably bald! Also JMan's hair is like Superman's hair. You can't cut it as it is as strong as steel (MANGA FACT!).
Edit: spelling :P
Last edited by xXan; April 20, 2012 at 08:07 AM.
Still everyone is jealous of Jiraiya's hair, I bet Rikudou Sennin's first created jutsu was, in fact, Jiraiya's hair jutsu.
Back on topic
Ma and Pa gathers, they stand still on Jiraiya's shoulders, Jiraiya balances it, yet he isn't all that good in it, so he screws up.
We saw with naruto's clones that you don't need to stay still forever, just the amount necessary to gather nature energy, so it makes sense for them to do jutsu and "move" around.
Still saying that Jiraiya is perfectly capable to enter sage mode with them isn't even close to the truth, he had to wait a while to summon Ma and Pa, if gather nature energy was so easy for him he would've entered sage mode, swatted the summon and then he would've summoned Ma and Pa, and have unlimited Sage Mode.
The very fact that he needed to summon Ma and Pa to enter Sage Mode proves that he isn't all that proficent with it without the frogs
Naruto, without having fukasaki beat him with a stick was able to stay in sage mode. He was under an oilfall which consistently forces with no form of control whatsoever natural energy into him and he was more than perfectly fine. There is no evidence that naruto needed to be hit by fukasaku and even if the guy did it would be pointless as naruto would still be bathed in oil. Its not like we have a shred of evidence to suggest the oil knew how much energy it was sending and was controlling it (in fact, we have no reason to believe it knew anything at all). As far as we know ma and pa could relentlessly throw in natural energy and it would not make a difference to jiraiya.
The oil only makes it much easier to draw in natural energy, Naruto is still the one who had to do the balancing. Thus the reason it took him time to arrive at the point where he could use the oil without instantly transforming and needing the aid of Pa's stick which could knock the natural energy out of him. And the mechanics of Sage Mode says that they couldn't simply throw a bunch of natural energy at Jiraiya without knowing how much physical and spiritual energy Jiraiya possessed already.
The whole point of the oil was to accelerate the training so that the trainee can learn to feel natural energy faster. This is done because the trainee has a bunch of it forced into him. More so, the manga pretty much explicitely shows us that the oil training does not in fact teach the trainee how to draw in natural energy. Naruto even had to do a different training altogether for that after learning how to enter sage mode with the old. If simply having too much natural energy would hurt a sage there is no reason for naruto to have been able to survive for a second under the oilfall regardless of the circumstances. In fact, if what you are proposing is in any form true any form of sage mode would be plain impossible using the oil however we clearly saw naruto balancing natural energy with sage mode under an oilfall.
Pa mentioned how the oil was also use to adapt the trainee to what the feeling of drawing natural energy felt like, so that they would be able to pull it in eventually without the oil. The oil was shown to teach how to sense it and use it. Regardless, we were told multiple times having too much natural energy was dangerous and even saw the results of it being taken in without balance with Hungry Path. And Naruto wasn't under the waterfall, he was in front of it.
Take a good look at that link, you can clearly see the oil splashing from naruto's back. Heck, after jumping out of the top of the oil we clearly see naruto completely covered in oil. I never said the oil was used for anything but learning how to sense and use natural energy however the actual learning of absorbing natural energy is a different independent process from the oil part. I am not saying there is no risk to absorbing natural energy however the risk does not seem to apply to sages to a great degree to say the least. The oil never stops forcing natural energy into the body of whoever comes in contact with it, there is no evidence whatsoever to the contrary however people who know how to handle natural energy can handle it based on what we saw with naruto. Its not like actually controlling natural energy is such a demanding process once you get the hang on it either, when naruto went 6 tails against pain his clone disappeared and naruto apparently went hermit mode without even being aware of it.
I see the oil splashing on his back, which is why I said he was sitting in front of it, not under it. If he was under it, then it should be splashing on top of his head and shoulders, not his back. The gathering natural energy can't be done until they learn what natural energy feels like and can actually sense it, which is why the oil training came first and the oil doesn't seem to continuously draw in natural energy, but a certain amount given that we see Naruto use it and the focus on drawing it in. Naruto going into Sage Mode after the transformation is strange, but it's possible the fact that the Kyuubi's chakra is in a separate area then his own and the natural energy could have play a part in it.
Naruto whent SM after he lost the clones as he had the time to sit on the moon and concentrate(the clones going poof at the mountain would not help him with that as he first needs to summon them there with the scrool). Also controlling natural energy is the hard part that is limiting Naruto to 3 clones when other clones do it, the part that turns you into a frog statue and the part that JMan goes frog a little as he is not that good at it.
Remember what happened to Pein when Naruto was sending him constant supply of sage chakra? He whent statue mode.... To much of that would turn you into a statue no matter who you are. If someone would get (even Naruto or any other SM user) a continous supply of nature chakra they would go into frog statue mode eventualy as they would not have enough of there own chakra to balance it. You need to be carefull how much chakra you get as to much and you are done as you don't have enough stamina/your chakra to balance it out. The oil probably allows you to get nature energy in small enough quantities. Ma/Pa defenetly needs to monitor JMan and see how much he needs or send it in small enough quantities so they would not risk turning JMan into a statue.