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I still believe Meryem could defeat the entire DBZ universe. His ability is that he grows stronger with each feed. He can eat a large quantity of people with strong aura quite quickly, I think before we know it he would be on universe destroying level. His potential is remarkable, more so than any DBZ character sorry.
I don't think the Toguro Brothers fight is really fair, one of them is literally immortal haha.
As for Mr. Satan vs. Tonpa. I give it to Tonpa, sorry but Satan is just stupid, Tonpa could easily fool him.
You are right, but in the context of a tournament fight, Kuwabara beat Toguro the Elder. So I think with Feitan's help they might be able to pull a win.
Hell yea futurefrog, I think Tonpa could win under the right circumstances. Tonpa is actually fairly smart, I think he would feed him poison and Satan would be dumb and drink it fight over. I just realized you said the same thing Netero. Great minds. Who else could Tonpa tackle in a battle of wits?
Tonpa+Amori bros vs Pilaf and Oolong
Last edited by TheAmericandream; April 26, 2012 at 09:41 PM.
I would agree with the whole Meryem could defeat everyone in DBZ over time. So could Cell and so could Kid Buu. Majin Buu was by far the worst villain because he gained strength during fights and each fight his powers increased. Even at the end with SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu.
My point here is it's clearly Meryem's foundation is Cell and you have to remember this has to apply to characters to have more fighting experience Meryem is like a baby over time he'd change like Piccolo did. His views were already changing. If anything he'd be nothing more than an ally if he wasn't killed first. Remember the formula dbz guys. Strong villain more training. Villain gets stronger train more. Not enough powerup in the midst of battle. Villain powersup in battle by some unbelievable odds defeat your opponent anyway. So even if he was a villain he wouldn't last long and if his powers did increase enough let's say to wipe out the main cast he could never beat Kid Buu in power. That's just plain on impossible. Yes he's smart and what not I don't see how any power he could acquire would ever let him fight Kid Buu evenly in battle let alone survive it for much long. Plus Kid Buu blows up planets.....instantly with a snap of his fingers. He's sort of his rival villain in a way just worse.
Last edited by ish3; April 26, 2012 at 11:31 PM.
I started a thread like that before, but some common matchups.
Most characters without regenerative abilities can be killed rather easily by using poisoned weapons. What's going to happen is the DBZ guy will be like 'haha your attacks have no effect on me' and you just stab them with a poisoned anything and they die. Don't even need to use any special abilities.
You'd be screwed against someone immune to such powers or with regenerative abilities, like Cell and Buu. The physical power of the DBZ characters are well above HXH and one of the key points stressed in HXH is that aura doesn't let you get around human limitations.
Naruto will win because Naruto has way more developed characters who are on par with HXH's best characters. In essence, HXH loses because Togashi is lazy. For every Netero class character, there's at least 5 of his counterparts in HXH. While HXH characters would have a considerable advantage in any 1on1 fight, you're looking at probably 1on5 or worse odds for the most powerful HXH characters. While Meryem's power seems to easily exceed any of Naruto's character, because he's vulnerable to poison he'd logically be vulnerable to any 'instant kill' type nijitsus and there's a whole mess of these things, and again only one guy has to succeed to take him out.
Bleach's characters would compete favorably even against DBZ, though Bleach's character has a tendency to reveal their weakness and the only way to defeat them before you fight them, so expect Bleach to inexplicably lose a lot of characters who have no business of being defeated. Still eventually you're going to run into someone who has no obvious weaknesses and that'd be that.
Versus One Piece:
The HXH characters would figure out how to manufacture/buy/steal the Seastones and it'd be instant game over for OP. You'd have guys doing their usual "Look mom, my head got chopped off" and then die instantly because that wound was inflicted by a weapon laced/coated with Seastone. Any of the top tier OP will easily wipe the floor with HXH characters by just doing long range elemental attacks but all OP characters are too stupid to do this. In fact Pufu can probably defeat half of the cast of OP by getting a microphoen and say that he and his 8 million minions already have them surrounded. This will cause half of the OP cast to panic and surrender.
^I don't think any weapon, at least without Aura involved, can pierce DBZ's characters skin. Even with Aura involved, it's quite difficult to say for sure.
Another good strategy would be to shoot bullets coated with deadly poison. You pull out a gun and obviously any DBZ character is going to go "LOL guns" and you shoot them and they die from the poison.
For a point of reference, Krillian reads 1200+ on the Scouter. Vegeta is 18000. Not sure how high he can go but Gohan's high is something like 2000ish if I recall, so let's say Krillian is at most 2K. Vegeta in giant monkey form has X 10, so he's basically 100 times stronger than Krillian, but he dodged the disc instead of just blocking it. In fact Vegeta's tail got sliced off by another character roughly 1/100th of his power level. So, there's no reason to believe DBZ characters have special resistance to slashing attacks. Of course, in light of that, they may very well just dodge all slashing attacks to be safe, so the gun approach is probably best. I believe Goku originally died from some kind of virus that caused his heart attack (not totally sure about this), so not even Super Saiyans are immune to stuff like virus or bacteria, so there's plenty of deadly stuff that spreads by contact. Obviously, it won't work on Buu (Mr. Satan tried to poison him and had no effect) and probably not Cell either, but being able to take out any DBZ character is a considerable accomplishment.
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Last edited by Phantron; April 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM.
Thing against DBZ is that most characters have ZERO tactics and most HxH have FULL tactics...so with given time, I think HxH universe would win. Most abilities are tricky and mischievous. And in the other side, most DBZ characters are quite dumb.
Considering how much they take to act (DBZ) I'm assuming that setting them up would be quite easy.
In the Oozaru Vegeta example, Vegeta's power was already greatly diminished by that point, as was stated, so it wouldn't be 18k times 10 but far less, and Krillin's power wasn't just 1200, it was supressed at that point. Nothing of this is really relevant, just wanted to clear it up.
SSJ Goku blocked SSJ Trunks's sword with his finger after he arrived on Earth. Slashing damage works like regular damage in DBZ world. Neither Freeza nor King Cold sure as hell couldn't have blocked Trunks's sword with their whole defense, much less their fingers. The power of the weapon is the same as the power of the user in DBZ world. It's just that the Ki Disc in particular has the property to cut through anything. Also, Kienzan (Ki disc) + Taiyoken (blinding move) combo would defeat any HxH character, though no DBZ character ever thought of doing that for some reason.
I also think the same holds true in HxH, though to a lesser extent. I doubt Tompa would be able to pierce Kuroro's Ren/Ken with Silva's Benz knife, for example, and Ubogin's skin broke Daltzorne's torture knife, and no syringes could be sticked into him.
Bullets coated with poison wouldn't work. They can't enter the DBZ characters skin, unless it's some sort of poison that enters through the pores of the skin or something.
Stop trying to come up with ways a HxH character can beat a DBZ character. The rules just don't apply. Furthermore Krillins destructo disc could cut big ass mountains and shit. Plus at that point he could already destroy planets. So no point in applying logic there.
meryem could beat everyone in DBZ with the given time.
And everyone else
:P there are other franchises that can go up against HxH.
Hanzo (pre nen) vs John Rambo (first blood)
keeping with the movie icon vs HxH Axel Foley (from Beverly Hills cop) vs Tonpa !
Can Tonpa keep from getting a Banana stuck in his tailpiple? I think Axel could see through Tonpa's juice scheme
Karasu (Yu Yu Hakusho) vs Genthru (Bomber)
Karasu has remote bombs made of invisible demons. He can summon them at will from what I can tell, and he's a very powerful demon himself. I think Bomber could see his bombs using Gyo, so I think this match up could go either way but I give the element of surprise to Bomber and speed advantage to Karasu.