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Thread: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

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    Re: The problems with the series.

    Quote Originally Posted by exacta View Post
    Mayuri's Bankai has already been explained. He modifies his Bankai, what's the issue in believing that? It's not the strangest feat he's pulled off by far. He could even modify his Zanpakuto so he could liquify and reassemble himself, and he even could implant dummy organs in his own body.

    Saying Soifon or Gin's Bankai "breaks" is the same thing as saying Senbonzakura breaks when it splits apart. Soifon's Bankai is a missile. How stupid would it be if the missile could never regenerate? Gin also left a small, small piece inside Aizen. How do we know it even regenerates? We've only seen his Bankai once, and the missing piece was so small that you wouldn't notice it unless the panel heavily focused it. It probably does regenerate though. Because that's it's ability.....it'd be like asking why doesn't Yamamoto's Bankai turn to ashes from getting so hot. Those two Bankai have never "broken". A Bankai that involves it's very own form being changed or shedded is not the same as having it broken.

    Renji's was also explained, he can just repiece his Zannpakuto together because it's connected by his reishi or whatever. It doesn't matter if it breaks. It was never ground to dust though. Don't know where your getting that, unless your talking about when Szayel canceled it. But he didn't break Renji's Bankai, he forced it to disappear because of his anti-Bankai lolscience.

    Also, the idea of a Bankai not being able to be repaired easily once damaged, is very similiar to what Cirucci Thunderwitch did to her Resurrecion in her battle, where she willfully ripped off the own wings of her Resurrecion, which was not part of her ability. Almost the same concept entirely actually.

    And Orihime can't heal EVERYTHING, there are some instances where her powers don't work. She couldn't heal Ichigo's Cero Oscuras wound, and like kkck mentioned above couldn't fix Tsubaki either. I don't know why, maybe because her power is still young, but it's not like this is the first time Orihime hasn't been able to fix something. Plus, she's in Hueco Mundo, and Ichigo was in SS with the RG, who are also taking his friends anyway. Which seems like the more convenient solution(well, at the time)?
    1) BC Mayuri's bankai has been split in half and detonated before. We do not know the nature of this "modification," as we saw that it showed no noticeable decline in its ability against Apporo besides the change in the poison composition. If Mayuri's technology to "modify" Bankai is able to return his own to what seems to be in its original state, what's stopping Ichigo from "modifying" his own Bankai?

    2) Compare the position of Renji's Bankai in this page: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v17/c142/9.html.

    Now compare what's left of it after Byakuya attacks him:
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v17/c143/7.html

    There is barely anything left, with even the head piece ground to dust. Mayuri's excuse that there was some of Renji's bankai that survived the attack seems almost baseless.

    3) Arrancar release and Bankai release are different. Arrancar's swords are the embodiment of their hollow abilities. Zanpakuto are more of a reflection of their owners' soul that manifest into unique powers. As Thunderwitch said, detaching those arms instead of sealing them into her sword was equivalent to cutting her own limbs off.

    However, Shikai can be repaired. What reason have we been given that dictates that Bankai cannot be repaired? This new, not-mentioned-before rule seems baseless and feels like the author's way of forcing the plot to explore Ichigo's shinigami power's origins.

    4) Orihime couldn't repair Tsubaki bc she didn't have an understanding of how her powers worked. Thus she believed that she didn't have enough of Tsubaki to actually recover him. However, we see her resurrecting Arrancar from thin air.
    As for Ichigo's cero oscuras wound, she couldn't reject, in time, Ulquiorra's reiatsu, which was preventing her from resurrecting Ichigo. There was no mention that it was impossible. More likely that she didn't have the time as Ulquiorra was right in front of her ready to finish the job.
    Through Aizen, it has been established that she is capable of rejecting any event that has occurred. One limitation that has been canonized is that she is inefficient at recovering one's reiatsu. There has been no reason given as to whether and/or why she cannot repair broken Bankais.
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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    When white attacks isshin, aizen says that the hollowfication experiment isn't yet complete and that hirako and his band of losers or something are gonna be coming along and at the same time thanks kisuke for the cloak that hides reiatsu. But urahara didn't use that cloak until hirako and the visoreds were already hollowfied by aizen.
    Also, aren't souls supposed to be immortal and not change?
    Then how are the characters younger in the wind back the clock arc?

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by perseus View Post
    When white attacks isshin, aizen says that the hollowfication experiment isn't yet complete and that hirako and his band of losers or something are gonna be coming along and at the same time thanks kisuke for the cloak that hides reiatsu. But urahara didn't use that cloak until hirako and the visoreds were already hollowfied by aizen.
    Also, aren't souls supposed to be immortal and not change?
    Then how are the characters younger in the wind back the clock arc?
    That event took place after the TBTP arc, the vizards were already fugitives at that time. The souls aren't immortal in SS, they age and die but the details of how fast people age haven't been clarified yet by the manga.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by Miyagi View Post
    That event took place after the TBTP arc, the vizards were already fugitives at that time. The souls aren't immortal in SS, they age and die but the details of how fast people age haven't been clarified yet by the manga.
    Exactly, it took part after the tbtp arc. So, why does he say that hollowfication is yet to be perfected. And also, where was isshin when hirako and his team were deployed to investigate the disappearances. And if the souls aren't immortal, how was yamamoto alive after thousands of years? Additionally, so was kyoraku, unohana and ukitake, the oldest captains
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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by perseus View Post
    Exactly, it took part after the tbtp arc. So, why does he say that hollowfication is yet to be perfected. And also, where was isshin when hirako and his team were deployed to investigate the disappearances
    As far as Aizen was concerned, the hollowification of vizards was a failure in TBTP arc, they were bound to die but Urahara saved them using the hogyoku. Isshin wasn't a captain then, Shinji didn't recognize Isshin's reiatsu when Isshin revealed his true self and killed GF.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by perseus View Post
    Exactly, it took part after the tbtp arc. So, why does he say that hollowfication is yet to be perfected. And also, where was isshin when hirako and his team were deployed to investigate the disappearances. And if the souls aren't immortal, how was yamamoto alive after thousands of years? Additionally, so was kyoraku, unohana and ukitake, the oldest captains
    The hollowfication done on the Visored did not yield the result that Aizen was looking for, thus, he refers to them as failures.

    Isshin wasn't a Captain yet. According to TBTP, the then Captain of the 10th Division was dead.

    Edit: Beaten.

    The souls of Shinigami and other spiritual beings aren't immortal, but they can live vastly longer than regular humans. Yamamoto is proof that they can live well into the thousands. Their appearance does change with age, we just don't know the specifics. For example, Unohana, for all we know, could have been the Shinigami equivalent of her late teens or early to mid twenties back when she was the First Kenpachi. Going by that, she would probably be considered middle aged when she died. Yamamoto already looked to be in his middle age when he formed the Divisions, so his change was much more drastic. A few hundred years doesn't seem to yield anything to extreme though when you reach a certain age, like with Shunsui and Ukitake. Much like real life, only the young seem to sprout up and change substantially in the span of a "short" time.
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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    So, which hollowfication experiment was satisfactory for aizen?

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by perseus View Post
    So, which hollowfication experiment was satisfactory for aizen?
    Tousen was probably the closest to perfection. He had high speed regen and could use Resurrecion.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by perseus View Post
    So, which hollowfication experiment was satisfactory for aizen?
    As far as I can tell the arrancar and tousen perhaps. He referred to the vizards as mere copies of arrancar. Tousen in turn was able to wear a mask and on top of that use resurreccion. With that in mind he was the hybrid we have seen closest to an arrancar. He could wear the mask to be in a similar state to base form arrancar (technically that form alone is a huge boost in power over their original hollow forms) and he could use resurreccion on top of that. The vizards are not able to use resurreccion. I don't think resurreccion is necessarily the end all of hybridization. Ichigo had something which I would argue is equally powerful, a full body hollow transformation and separate from that a sword release when fighting ulquiorra. That should be equally powerful considering resurreccion simply combines both aspects (although ulquirra's segunda etapa does make everything muddy in context). Current ichigo seems to have skipped everything by simply putting the whole of his powers into his asauchi. There is no need for him to do a hollow transformation.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    The biggest plot hole is Hell.

    What is that place? What's in it? In SS, you have shinigamis. in Schaten Bereich you have quincies. In Hueco Mundo, you have hollows. In Earth, you have humans.

    In Hell?
    NO to KUROSAKI ICHIGO USING a BOW!!!

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    The biggest plot hole is Hell.

    What is that place? What's in it? In SS, you have shinigamis. in Schaten Bereich you have quincies. In Hueco Mundo, you have hollows. In Earth, you have humans.

    In Hell?
    If I remember correctly there was a feature film a few years back that focused on Hell. I guess that was deemed sufficient. Of course, why it's never been touched on in the manga is a mystery to me. The film probably eliminated any chance of Hell being of any significance in the manga itself.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    The biggest plot hole is Hell.

    What is that place? What's in it? In SS, you have shinigamis. in Schaten Bereich you have quincies. In Hueco Mundo, you have hollows. In Earth, you have humans.

    In Hell?
    To be fair, it isn't really plot hole, moreso just an unexplored concept. Hell wasn't really something that was essential to the plot of Bleach.

    But as Impossibility stated, there was a film based on it a few years ago. I don't know how to count it since it wasn't written by Kubo, but he did create a mini chapter for it during it's promotion. It dealt with Szayel and Aaeranio (however you spell it) being sent to Hell and dealing with the antagonist from the film.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    In my opinion

    - Neliel injury is one, with many crazy injury and crazy recovery we saw in Bleach, I found it quite nonsens to make her injury "not curable"

    - Kira forgoten in the battlefield... even the two vizard that was owned by mask was taken care of by Unohana and we all know that Kira was KO at the beginning of the invasion...

    - Shaz Domino who (until further explination on SR letters) is some kind of extra SR

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonpierre View Post
    In my opinion

    - Neliel injury is one, with many crazy injury and crazy recovery we saw in Bleach, I found it quite nonsens to make her injury "not curable"

    - Kira forgoten in the battlefield... even the two vizard that was owned by mask was taken care of by Unohana and we all know that Kira was KO at the beginning of the invasion...

    - Shaz Domino who (until further explination on SR letters) is some kind of extra SR
    -Not that far fetched seeing as how she and her fraccion were left abandonded and without immediate medical care, but you do bring up an interesting question. Nel's injury is a curious phenomenon that wasn't really explained/explored. Such a head injury allowed her body to lose spiritual energy and convert her into a child like form. Even stranger is that she was able to regain her lost powers and revert back to her original form, seemingly at the same level as it was before she lost them. Is such a thing possible for other non hollow spiritual beings? Now that I think about it, remember when Ulquiorra slashed Ichigo's hollow horn and the power exploded outward?

    -Yeah, no real explanation here. He was straight up forgotten.

    -Well...the Sternritter have multiple letters of the same type so it's quite possible that, like A, V, and Y, he shared a letter with another Sternritter.

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    Re: Flaws and plot holes in Bleach :gwah

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonpierre View Post
    In my opinion

    - Neliel injury is one, with many crazy injury and crazy recovery we saw in Bleach, I found it quite nonsens to make her injury "not curable"

    - Kira forgoten in the battlefield... even the two vizard that was owned by mask was taken care of by Unohana and we all know that Kira was KO at the beginning of the invasion...

    - Shaz Domino who (until further explination on SR letters) is some kind of extra SR
    I think Kubo hasn't realized how difficult it is to believe a character has died. That's why he never went back to Kira to confirm. He might have actually thought it was clear enough, but of course there's always a chance in Bleach. And people have definitely survived worse in Bleach. I think he really is dead though. I certainly hope he is. I'm a little surprised he didn't have Giselle revive him as a zombie and have him fight Hisagi, that would've been a good chance to show off two Bankais. I remember reading that Kubo would consider giving Kira a Bankai. The Shaz Domino thing is also just bizarre. With Nel there's really no one who could have healed her injury whether or not it is actually curable. No one in Hueco Mundo could heal it except for some people inside Las Noches, but she was thrown out of there.

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