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A fall that we've seen is after Atobe Kingdom is learn.
After the fall, Irie manage to manipulate him by dragging him around the field and make the match into epic tie breaker. From that, I would draw that Atobe > Irie. However, you mention "serious" Irie, so I was wrong on Atobe simply > Irie.
That's why I look into it and put it into equation that can be seen on the last page. So it's only that Atobe> "Normal" Irie, and statement that Serious Irie>Atobe or Atobe> Serious Irie cannot be drawn from the manga by using the information we currently have.
Last edited by -Ken-; May 17, 2012 at 12:44 AM.
The serious Irie who faced Akiba wasn't the same as the Irie who faced Aobe.
Irie was holding back the whole time, even in the end he faked an arm injury and let 5th court win. He could have easily won the match if he went all out. Even with AK, Atobe doinated trolling Irie, but we don't know if serious Irie is dominated by AK, probably not, as irie could hit very fast balls to the corners and score winners.
Unless Atobe gets a very very strobg power up, he'll never defeat Irie or Yukimura.
The "probably not" is just assumption. Everyone can hit fast ball and score winner. And anyone can answer fast ball too.
I'm saying Irie>Atobe is assumption. And for me, it will be only opinion until anyone can show me evidence from manga that Irie>Atobe. Because from evidence I've seen so far that people show, it point to
"Serious Irie>Atobe or Atobe> Serious Irie cannot be drawn from the manga by using the information we currently have. "
"I think" is pretty much all assumption and opinion. I can say "I think Horio is actually super Irie that is number 0 1st stringer", but that'll be incredibly stupid. Because I don't use any evidence from manga to support that claim.
EDIT: Anyways, we're getting really far off topic. So here's also some food for thoughts,
This is pretty much suggest how high of a techniques Mach is. Even Yukimura isn't confident in returning it, it seem.
Last edited by -Ken-; May 17, 2012 at 03:07 AM.
Yeah, that's weird. Yukimura saying "if you're against that style, then it's impossible to return the ball"
Not sure but I think he's trolling a bit. You're... maybe he refers Atobe? Yukimura won't let Ochi take a game from him, he'll find a way to return Mach. A player who returned practically the strongest techniques in POT like FuuRinKainZanRai isn't suddenly uncapable of returning mach serve.
Nah, it's Ochi. Shiraishi said Ochi's style of tennis, and Yukimura follow with "that style".
I don't think Yukimura is trolling. His face doesn't look like it. He also doesn't have a trolling personality, as far as I remember.
But I don't think this is testament as to how "weak" Yukimura is. It's a testament to how strong the genius ten is.
based on current skills in the manga and not speculating on evolved potential , the winner... is Yukimura.
theoretically these 2 have unlimited potential. I would probably think atobe woudl evovle, but that
is personal bias, and not what the writer has written.
Atobe kingdom is good, but atobe cant counter hallucinatory yips. he might be able to play unconsciously, thus blocking out the psychological affects of yips, meaning his body and mind would control his actions, but it may not be enough to beat yuki's skills and that again is speculation and bias.
I agree with other posters that favor Yukimura. Someone said his stats are better too. I'm not a yukimura fanboy either lol.
And why the HIDDEN POLL! wow when will the results be released?
I was curious as to what was originally said in the Japanese edition, as it seemed like a pretty weird thing to say. Ochi doesn't have a particular style of tennis; he just has a serve as fast as lightning.
And, for the record: Yukimura would murk Atobe. Look how Atobe's flailing around the bottom of the G10.
But Echizen does it minutes after. I know Ryoma is the plot-power exception but I wouldnt even bet on what Konomi makes his characters say.
Kaoz and I had a discussion of how Konomi makes his characters say stuff that are different to what the storyline suggests.
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Also, Atobe cant even CONFIDENTLY return Mach Serve. He didnt actually ''counter'' it, since Mach Serve is so amazing that it still gets past Atobe.
So he didnt break Mach Serve, he just returns it every now and then.
Im only suggesting Yuki can return it since Konomi gave Yukimura the hack final-boss ability to return ALL special shots. He didnt realize he was gonna continue PoT so Yuki was left with a hack-ability like that.
Yeah, Konomi has his characters say things and then contradict those quotes all the time.
Everyone: "They'll never be able to return the ball from that serve."
Atobe: *Returns the ball*