Since you delight in repeating a post you have no proof off, I won't indulge you by putting effort into creating a post to counter yours. I will also repeat myself.
"You are assuming A LOT of things you have no proof of backing. Bach defeated a shikai Yama that has exhausted his power SO WHAT?
What does that have anything to do with FGT Ichigo?
Aizen started becoming Yama's superior the moment he undergo his first transfiguration with the hogyoku & he could have easily defeated Yama at full power yet after undergoing his 2nd(& 3rd) transfiguration, it was mocked by Ichigo. Before Ichigo even began to use his FGT,
He outright played with Aizen's devastrating strikes http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57111-1...apter-418.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57111-1...apter-418.html
Slapped Hado 90 which is able to disort time & space when fueled with his new found power http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57111-1...apter-418.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57111-2...apter-418.html
A simple Ken'a'tsu from his sword is able to complete vaporized mountains leaving nothing. http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57111-1...apter-418.html
A KEN'A'TSU OF ALL THINGS.
Aizen(hogyoku) realising he was no match for Ichigo was forced into another transfiguration.
He did a tiny concentrated beam http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html
Capable of this level of destruction http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html
and Ichigo didn't even care do dodge, block or anything. He just stood there and took it like nothing.
It is funny how Ichigo could have complete negated the beams damage simply by releashing reiatsu but he didn't. He just took it.
We then move on to here http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-1...apter-419.html
Aizen after brutally smashing Ichigo's body wanted to finish Ichigo off with multiple beams (forming rings around Ichigo).
Ichigo at this point was outright annoyed & insulted by Aizen's silly attempts to take him out therefore he easily destroyed those rings of beams sorrounding him with a swing http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-2...apter-419.html
This ony proves that without the regenerative & transfigurative properties of the hogyoku, Aizen would be doomed without Ichigo ever using the FGT.
Ichigo finally used FGT to competely annihilate everything. http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57322-2...apter-419.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57474-1...apter-420.html http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57474-2...apter-420.html
AND YOU SPEAK OF THIS FORM'S POWER AS THOUGH IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN EASILY BE ACHIEVED? Even by chatacters like Shinji?(who was Aizen's inferior at base?) and you call me an idiot because I think that's totally bogus? pfft
We don't have anything to quantify where Ichigo's FGT or his ultimate bankai form stands in the food chain but we know it's at the very top of the food chain. "
We know FGT is a tech that brings Ichigo to his full potential but that power takes everything out of him, even his power. Now you randomly claim Juha is "STRONGER than Dangai Ichigo" out of nowhere just because he has Yama's bankai. Yeah that's bogus.
you also assume Bach (a quincy) has his own bankai?. How much are you gonna assume things you have no proof of backing?
For all we know this guy may not even be the final villian and may be taken out of the story in a few chapters.
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Well the sword he had didn't actually look like Zanpaktou...
And about his longtevity... It seems that those Sternenritters aren't normal humans. Their powers allow them to not only gain a longtevity, but also a damn verssion of high-speed regeneration. Remember, when Kirge was in Vollstandig fighting Allon his neck was broken and he managed to put it back quite easily, when normal human or even Shinigami would have been dead in such situation.
So obviously they aren't humans no matter how e look at it.
Yama seem to be suprised that the quincies can bankai. He fought (fake) Bach but he never questioned once why he didn't releash his Zanpakuto. If he had a Zanpakuto of his own how does this statement make sense? http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/508/11
Well, it seemed that his sword was the same as Kirge had. It was another one of Quincy's tools. At least until we are told otherwise.
I hope you can keep the heated discussion civil ^^ - Darjaille
Anyway, IMO the war potentials are just certain persons who could be dangerous to VR, atm I don't think it's anything else if Kenpachi is one. Yama was not, because Bach/VR was sure that he'll be dealt with.
Ichigo IS very strong, his bankai can not be captured, and supposedly he's an awesome super special hybrid... Kenpachi is THAT dangerous and his power can't be limited by stealing his bankai like they can with other strong individuals. Aizen.. is Aizen
Then I'd guess Ishida... maybe both Ishidas. I think Ryuuken definitely isn't a part of VR, and he must be a complete monster, no bankai to steal too... and they do think highly of Uryuu too, but that might not be it. Other than that... I don't think they have a reason to fear Inoue, and Opie didn't say anything about her when she fought him (tried) in HM, so Inoue not. Nothing about Urahara too, so that leaves, well very very likely Isshin. That's my take on it anyway.
The other point is that quincies somehow have a way of experimenting with their mortal bodies and that possibly gives them the ability of longevity.
I agree that if we knew what Bach is capable of it would be boring but the thing is we don't know what Hogyoku Aizen, FGT/Ultimate(especially) Ichigo are capable off either. We cannot quantify at all where these two stand. For all we know we may never see FGT again (considering the fact that it takes away all Ichigo's powers).
So all you are doing so far is assuming where Bach would be at in the food chain. Him defeating a wornout shikai Yama is hardly a feat to get excited about.
If Kubo is trolling it would be
Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, Uryu, Rukia
Well, not Rukia and Chad for obvious reasons. They are and seems that always would be useless characters on a powerscale.
Orihime has a broken ability, but no matter how we look at it, she can't be a real opponent to mostly anybody as she is damn weak in terms of fighting power.
About Uryu. Let's see what he would be able to perform after training and then it would be possible to discuss if he is one of the War Potentials, cause now he is too weak for being one.
The War Potentials are the ones who can be more possibilities to be recruited by VandenReich. Ichigo must be trained by his white father, Aizen was asked to be part of the conboy and Kenpachi has an attitude who you can say, this man wants fights, it doesn't matter where he can obtain it.
I wonder if Harribel is one of the War Potentials. Despite her somewhat shoddy performance in Fake Karakura, she is an exceptionally powerful being in the scheme of things. Stronger than any Quincy who's not a Stern Ritter, and maybe even stronger than some of those, since Bach went so far as to fight her personally. He made sure to capture her, rather than kill her, and we've already seen that the Vandenreich are capable of turning Arrancar into some kind of Quincy hybrid. As the most powerful known Hollow or Arrancar, the VR could have deemed her worth bringing over to their side.
Well, I can see Chad and Orihime becoming some sort of Potentials only if they get Shinigami powers from someone. Then they will have a possibility to become considerably stronger and more relevant to the story as right now they are just useless in any fight against Quincy, because even combined as they are now Chad and Orihime can't do anything against average Quincy from Vandereich.
These War Potentials are obviously dangerous individuals that have to be dealt with one way or another. But i'm starting to guess that they can also be characters the VR want to try to recruit to their side.?? Ichigo, Aizen both have been mentioned in dailouge to try and turn coat, Ichigo by force Aizen by choice....I believe Ryuken or Isshin maybe just one of them or both.
I'm guessing the last two are Ryuuken and Urahara. Urahara's intellect is pretty dangerous, I'm sure atleast Bach knows Urahara helped stop Aizen. He was watching Fake Karakura after all.
Also don't forget Mayuri. He collected Szayel Apollo's research data, and Szayel could negate a Bankai. So he's likely to be a threat to the bankai-medallions. (And he's generally smart)
Ryuuken, well he's a Quincy so he knows how to counter the enemy and probably has intel on them, and he doesn't have a Bankai for them to steal.