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Dude your a mod you should know better this is getting off topic and needs to stop.
But i will put this to you everyone in that fight was using shikai, not one of the captains was on equal footings with Aizen in terms of exhaustion, not one of the captains kept their composure, Aizen on the other hand stated that he was using his Ks from the beginning (100 years prior i might add). But if anyone actually knows about how fights are won and lost they would be agreeing with me, fact is it doesn't matter if Aizen used his KS or not he was not fighting any one of the captains on equal footings. Aizen showed no great feat in beating any of the captains that were not mind full of what was going on but was engaging him with pure rage. The only thing that can win with pure rage is the hulk.
Right so okay we know 100% Ichigo was not under the KS ablility, so that would mean that he saw the reality of what was happening from start to finish, how that wouldn't make him struck with grief is beyond me, for a start Ichigo was only told by Unohana about what Aizen's ability could do just moments before this happened (take that into consideration before judging what i said) now think about seeing it in action for the very 1st time and how it would make you feel seeing all these captains bombarding someone like momo you'd be mortified dumb founded and quite literally speechless, then we take a look at the final stabbing just as ichigo says something he didnt say 'Thats not aizen' he said, 'what the hell, are you guys doing' now that alone makes me think okay he's seeing everything but can not figure out why they are attacking someone else until it is too late. So how that makes no sense is beyond me and your logic on that is a flawed oneQuote:
I very much doubt Aizen would be able to accomplish the same feat ever had he started with a fresh Shikai i.e. Not having the whole Gotei under KS. So again, No, he did not fodderize the G13.
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Fodderizing is not at all a word to use, he tricked them but in no way did he fodderize them. He did not go at them fresh and use his abilities, he already had them fooled and could have changed theyre perception at any point, which is a bit unfair concidering his ability was never released during combat.
Wonderfully said devstauk & jaymizzo. There is one thing I have been saying for sometime now & that is that victory in battle isn't determine by whom is necessarily the strongest, rather victory is established through timing & chance. Aizen is a predominant example of this thing I'm talking about. Throughout he had utilised timing & chance to proceed with his plans.
It's because of timing & chance Shunshi took down his foe, Starrk.
It's because of timing & chance Gin embarrassed Aizen regardless of the gap in power & would have permanently killed Aizen if not for his immortality status.
.Aizen wasn't the fastest gotei 13 member, Soifon has him beat.
.He wasn't the physically strongest gotei 13 member, Yamamoto has him beat.
.He wasn't the best at Kido, Tessei & Hachigen has him beat
.He wasn't the best in hand to hand, Yoruichi & Soifon has him beat
BUT he is a well rounded intellectually skilled planner who in the end defeated many of the individuals above.
- Zaraki (The only confirmed of the 5 war potentials).
- Unknown (Too many possibilities left).
In that order. Ichigo is obvious, Uryuu too I think, due that he seems like a trumph card.
Also Ichigo vs. Uryuu would be pretty darn epic, espcially considering Uryuu most likely is a 100% good guy, for whatever reason he is with the Wandenreich.
Aizen, still really nasty, all he needs to do is release his sword infront of the enemy, and he's powerful enough to last long enough against most of the strongest fighters.
Would have to be far stronger and faster than Aizen to be able to win against him in my opinion, and few are cable of that.
Also Ichigo wacked Aizen's kiddou, he would likely also wack Aizen's zanpaktou ability, similar to how Soi Fon wasn't able to use her ability against Aizen, because of his sheer reatsu difference.
Telling a captain she can't kill him because of reatsu difference seems legit, a captain would know if it's true or not, so it wasn't just an illusion trick.
Whether Aizen had reatsu enough as a pure Shinigami to negate Soi Fon's abilities is questionable, however, there is a big BUT, it doesn't change what Aizen said to likely be true.
Zaraki because he's pretty much confimed as one of the 5 war potentials, also we simply dont know just how powerful he'll become with a zanpaktou teamwork.
Zaraki confirmed to be on the list.
Aizen and Ichigo are almost dead certain to be on it.
Uryuu the hardest to prove, but I'd be pretty surprised if Uryuu does not make it on the list, it screams of foreshadowing that he'll be a insanely powerful Quincy.
Well, Ichigo was first to be confirmed as a War Potential. Only after him it was confirmed that Ken-chan was the one as well.
About Aizen... Well, I don't think he was using KS all the time during his fight against Captains in FKT. Actually most of the time he didn't use it. It was only confirmed, when he changed himself with Hinamori, since it was the only time Ichigo was surprised on what Captains were doing. All the other time, it seems that Aizen was actually using just his basic skills to take down Captains.
I think there is some ambiguity in regards as to when aizen can or cannot use his sword overall. As far as we know his illusion is activated basically at all times. I get the impression that hirako and co expected aizen to actually release his sword of give some sort of indication that he was about to use an illusion but in turn what we saw was that aizen used the illusion without so much of a hint they could notice. Aizen did not need to activate the illusion, he could use it freely at all times. In the end most of what we saw should be pretty real considering the damage the shinigami took was real. I don't think the illusion would actually overpower consecutive captains on its own, aizen had to deal that damage himself.
Could the Aizen talk, remain in the Aizen thread...... Thank you
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At the moment, I don't think sheer strength is the determining aspect of a war potential. I'd assume Bach is after people who might be on his side at the end of the day in some way. I consider his speech to Captain-Commander as nothing but trash talk, since no matter how weakened he was, Captain-Commander was far beyond what Kenpachi could be in terms of strength.
Still, it's interesting that Kenpachi's enormous potential was a known fact. I thought only Central 46 and few of the fellow captains knew about this. Maybe one of them has assisted Bach or another Quincy to provide that data. The innate power of his is much more difficult to simply report compared to a Bankai power.
At least KS talk might warrant a different thread to be kept going, since the OP sets a different perspective about the war potentials in general, not detailed for each person.
So, please be more considerate of this fact while moving the discussion forward.
Since Uryu hasn't actually been referred to as a SWP, I'm assuming he isn't one. In that case, the one thing the known SWPs have in common is that they aren't Quincy. That doesn't really narrow it down much, except to strike Ryuken off the list. But so far we have 3 Shinigami who are above Captain-class or at least have the potential to be. The only others I can think of who belong on such a list are the Royal Guard, but there are 5 of them and I'm of the opinion that Yhwach intends to crush them, possibly using his 5 SWPs once he's gathered them.
There might be Isshin, but I don't think there's any evidence to suggest he's much stronger than any other Captain - his performance against Aizen gets too much credit imo. Harribel might have been one, though I don't really believe that. It depends on what Yhwach is actually doing with her right now. He must have some reason for not outright killing her. If she is one, Grimmjow might well be one too. Although again, I don't believe that to be true.
What about Yuruichi? We never saw what she can do with a sword (except flashbacks where she had one). And do not forget she was fighting Aizen without even Shikai ! Urahara is a wild card too.
Before I start, I'm just going to say I've not read the entirety of this thread and I really just skimmed what I did.
Frst thing I want to say is I don't think Orihime or Urahara are SWPs at all, purely because they weren't mentioned along with Ichigo when Yhwach was informed of the situation in Hueco Mundo. You'd think they would have been mentioned as well if they were graced with this "title" and the Quincy would have had a field day knowing more than half of their SWPs are distracted at the same time. This is more focused on Orihime, though, since iirc Urahara hid himself for a greater part of the battle but even then Opie went to attack him and didn't give any indication that he was special to the Vandenreich.
I'm going to go with the idea that any normal Shinigami is out of the question when it comes to being a SWP. Ichigo can't have his Bankai stolen and Zaraki's strength compensates for all of his shortcomings, and with every other captain being vulnerable to having their greatest weapon taken I doubt the Vandenreich would think much of them. I only have 2 candidates who I think could be SWPs and a few of them are a little out there but it's merely speculation:
1. Shukuro Tsukishima - Just think about how deadly his ability is. If he hadn't been so overconfident he would have been able to defeat Byakuya without getting so much as a scratch, but the fact that he was under the impression that his ability makes him untouchable caused him to lose at a crucial moment. As we have no reason to assume he lost this ability in death, and the Vandenreich most likely being aware that he would be sent to Soul Society after death, he seems like a worthy candidate to me. The Quincy are loyal to Yhwach to the point where the jumped into to attack an enemy they knew to be the most powerful captain in the Gotei 13 without hesitation. If Tsukishima could manipulate their memories so they think he is their king he could kill pretty much any of the Quincy without effort since they wouldn't be likely to attack their leader.
2. - Kukaku Shiba - As well as her intelligence, she also lacks the weakness of having Bankai as her greatest asset as is already strong with her proficiency is Kido and physical strength. Although my reasoning goes a bit deeper than that. If the theory that Yhwach wants to bring the 5 SWPs together to attack the Royal Guard/Soul King then she would be a key factor in this. If that is his goal then he would need to have some way to get there and the Tenchuran would be the best choice. But if attacking the Soul King isn't part of Yhwach's plan, although I don't see why it wouldn't be since he will have to do that at some point, then I doubt she'd be considered special by him.
As for the last, or maybe more, I think it'll be a character we haven't seen yet since I doubt we'll be familiar with all the SWPs.