Kaidou is not Doflamingo... Do we really have to argue on such obvious things ? Since one here said Doflamingo could be the unofficial fifth Yonko, I saw statements he was indeed the fifth Yonko and now people claiming he is likely to be Kaido. Have we fallen back into obscurantism ? One may dare say Kaido is Doflamingo's minion - such nonsense to me - but that he is Doflamingo himself is already proven wrong.
To sum up, Doflamingo is a pirate and businessman who got himself the title of Shichibukai. He corrupts and makes agreements with people, places pawns of his own at powerful official positions, despite and whatever place they fit inside the world balance. He is not a Yonko - a person who rules over peoples of New World - but an underworld broker which is very powerful and influential as some important people works with or for him.
That characteristic has nothing to do with being a Yonko, he does not rule peoples like an Emperor or even a King would - the King equivalent for several peoples is called an Emperor - and thus he shall not be called fifth unofficial Yonko. He has power indeed but not the same kind of a Yonko. He is a powerhouse that lies in the shadow just like a puppeteer would and isn't recognized any power except for his title of Shichibukai.
Anyway, that does not mean he is not one of the most powerful - in terms of influence - people of One Piece world. He could be so powerful as to destabilize the world balance, like Gods were said to play with men in Antiquity, but he is definitely not a powerhouse like Yonko, Marine or World Government are because he is simply not a (big) ruler.
Last edited by Lord Rayleigh; July 09, 2012 at 12:57 PM.
Law said “there are 2 ways to survive in the NW: one must either server under a Yonkou, or relentlessly challenge one”. This is such a deterministic sentence: there are no middle terms for anybody in the NW. It is like if NW is a fifth regions territory: one region for each Yonkou and the region that stay beyond their reach, in which Raftel is located. I wonder, first, if in fact NW has been divided in such a way.
And second, I wonder what could be the relationship between Dofla, a guy that is not a Yonkou, and the Yonkous. If NW has been divided as previously suggested, Dofla must be connected with a Yonkou in some way, either fighting one or serving one. (I will take for granted that Dofla is neither a Yonkou nor Kaido. Not only their shapes don’t match, but, as far as I remember, when Kaido was fighting Shanks, Dofla was already located in Marineford waiting to fight WB. And if Dofla were a Yonkou, that would be known by everyone, and then it would be reported by Neptune to Mugiwaras in Fishman Island arc).
This excludes Doflamingo being Kaidou - but not that there's some other link between those two...
I thought, Kaidou had already been in a battle with one of the Marine divisions several days before Ace's execution was set and the battle with the Whitebeard pirates took place. This was mentioned in the manga, how'd everyone forget that little detail...?.
Anyways, anyone guessing what Vergo's devil fruit ability is....?.
I once responded to this issue, but let me explain a bit different this time:
Now if we put every piece of information (above spoiler) together, we will understand that Vergo did not use CoC on Law. Law grabbed his heart in pain, spit blood and crumbled down to ground. He showed no signs of fear or unconsciousness. Basically his symptoms do not match with any known CoC effects.
Furthermore Law was among those who remained unaffected by Rayleigh's CoC. Law survived the CoC blast of a confirmed high-tier!! This is why I think the CoC theory has no chance. After all two years ago Law was weaker than he is now, yet he survived Ray's blast. Since this theory requires Vergo to have a stronger haki than Rayleigh, I consider this as nothing but silly nonsense. To begin with, it is doubtful Vergo has CoC in the first place. As he does not rly fit the criteria.
Last edited by BlackHair; July 15, 2012 at 06:46 AM. Reason: If you stop dreaming, you're just sleeping - Ralph Green and Gregory Garcia
1) Magnetic ability - Even though I though Kidd had this ability, maybe he can just control weapons (or metal), But as for Vergo ability with magnetic if he could pull Law down with the force of magnetic, it could be the reason why hes coughin up blood, even dragin his heart down with the force of magnetism power, that could be why he was grabbin his chest.
2) Static ability - Unlike magnetic Vergo could strike straight at Law heart, kinda like when a person is in critically condition they use a defibrillator and hit the chest to try to start the heart again. If Vergo did have this ability then he could easily aim at Law, most likely he was used small voltages on Law.
3) Sticky ability - To have the ability for things to stick to him and him able to contracted things to him...the one thats most unlikely, but it could be true cause of the burger on his face, the One Piece version of "Spiderman" hahaha
I like the idea of him having some kind of static ability.
Seems to be the most fitting when you combine Laws behavior before going down and the fact that the burger and some fries seemed to be stuck to him. I mean either he has a serious eating disorder or its a hint towards his ability...
If this is a fact then i dont see Luffy fighting him. Its well known that electricity in whatsoever ways wont really bug him...
Might be that Zorro will take him down. Maybe Vergo has some kind of swort in that bambus stick after all...
Sanji could fight Monet. Sky walk against a bird women would be a nice match up! And being in Namis body gives him a handycap so accepting Zorro to be the main event would seem natural and wouldnt leed to any strenght discussions...
Last edited by Mische; July 09, 2012 at 05:53 PM.
I don't like people saying they don't think Kaido is Doflamingo based on appearances. Nobody knows what Kaido looks like. The only image we have seen is half of his face from a downward angle covered in shadow from hundreds of chapters back. Also Doflamingo wears glasses and a giant pink feather costume, so please don't anyone say they know what he looks like either besides the blonde hair. While Kaido did get in an altercation with Shanks, there was no large scale battle and if he was Doflamingo he would have had plenty of time to get back since Luffy was still in Impel Down at the time. I think it would be better to discuss how it would benifit Doflamingo to personally get in a fight with the Whitebeard Pirates rather than wait to battle him with the entire Marine Navy at his back.
I don't understand why ppl who support the "static/sticky DF" idea shoot down the heart theory. Why can't it be both?! While I agree anything related to stickiness or whatever makes fast food stick on his check might be his devil fruit, I also think the heart theory might be the case.
Law (panel 1) wanted to attack Vergo, but he was forced down. It's like Vergo pressed on a button, which causes immediate pain. Same case here, he is having chest pain while he is going down. I don't understand how a "sticky Df" is supposed to apply in this case. I mean how can a devil fruit with causes stickiness push Law down by causing pain?
Furthermore Law shouted (while getting attacked) "who is there?". Why would he do that if he knows about Vergo's ability? I mean its like Zoro getting punched by a stretched hand and is wondering who it might be. I believe my point is clear. .. In all fairness, the magna did not confirm yet whether Law knows about his ability or not, but since they know each other for a long time, I assume he knows one or two things about Vergo.
Last edited by BlackHair; July 09, 2012 at 08:36 PM. Reason: One never knows what each day is going to bring. The important thing is to be open and ready for it - Henry Moore
As an Yonkou he would have no need to be super secretive and work for the WG, as they wouldn't dare to fight him anyway. Also their characters conflict with each other, with Doflamingo liking the war, whilst Kaidou tried to hinder WB from reaching MF in time.
Last edited by Schabrak; July 09, 2012 at 09:18 PM.
The Yonko are on a world scale known pirates. They fought many battles to claim their position, thus their faces and voice are known in the world. Kaido is one of them. Likewise Doflamingo is a famous Shichibukai known by the same means. Now considering this, how can both figures be of the same entity?
Furthermore a emperor is a mighty force in the NW. There is no need for someone like Kaido to establish a secret organisation to control the underworld. A Yonko does not need any secrecy, they can act freely on their whim. I mean BM destroyed a entire country/island because of a silly reason. That alone shows how powerful they are in the NW.
I was the one stating Dofla as a unofficial 5th Yonko. That statement had no seriousness in it. I was just excited reading the chapter and posted a troll/joke line. Ero-Sanji even tacked along and stated him as the 4th unofficial world power xD
I had no idea that line gave birth to wrong thoughts. It's just as u said: Doflamingo even being a powerful and influential character on his own, he does not fit the criteria of a Yonko. Actually he does not even fit the criteria of a pirate. He seems more like a businessman to me.
a marine report Kaido wanted to stop WB, but Shanks intervened. But I don't think think they (Shanks & Kaido) fought. Most likely they had a discussion, similar like this.
Last edited by BlackHair; July 09, 2012 at 09:38 PM. Reason: There's no such thing as quitting. Just sometimes there's a longer pause between relapses - Alan Moore
Yeah I don't believe Kaido is Doflamingo, but I refuse to come to that conclusion based on the same poorly conceived reasons everyone else did I acknowedge that it's not impossible. Doflamingo was probably trying to make everything get thrown into more chaos during Marineford, if he was Kaido then I believe he was planning more on slowing WB down so that Ace would die as he showed up, thus throwing WB into a rage and getting more people killed, but this happened anyway. By my logic it would be more appropriate to wonder why Doflamingo would risk fighting WB himself with his crew and ending up dead, rather than waiting to fight WB with the full might of the marines behind him.