indeed,although this also prevent them from using it... well,at least even kyoraku realized that these quincies aren't opponents who can be defeated without using bankai..
And, it seems some captains will die (and more SR will appear), so there's still plenty of ways to match up the other captains.
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Well, we have to consider that the term "captain level" is somewhat ambiguous as far as SS is concerned. Us fans generally use the term to refer to people who would be comparable to any one captain of the gotei 13. The issue at hand is that the manga characters do not do that. As far as the manga is concerned the captains and their vice captains are captain level people which makes up for an overwhelming margin. For all we know the guy with the mexican wrestling mask was also considered among the 16 captain level people. 16 captain level people has the implication that there are 16 people with power comparable or greater to that of captains and vice captains basically.
But there is a problem with saying that captain level is merely the level of when one is cable of bankai, thus becoming a captain.
That is, do you really need a certain amount of reatsu? Just to refresh some memories here are some old links from the manga.
So exactly like you said, one needs a certain amount of reatsu to reach bankai, probably since you have to "materialize" ones zanpaktou into ones own realm and do a long term trial while under reatsu pressure.
So, is this what is meant by captain level?
or is it some average of normal captain potential?
Perhaps it's the average of all historical captain levels that is consider a normal captain level?
What is deluding my mind is this:
"and I misjudged that reatsu, to be his total reatsu, on par of that of a captain..?"
Point being, if this isn't a mistranslation, then she's basically more likely talking about either an average captain level or the max potential of a captain before promotion to the Royal Guards, perhaps with the exception of the senior 4 captains who seem to remain.
So, this is getting a little bit tricky, we got facts from manga pointing towards captain level being able to obtain bankai, and then this page destroys that picture unless it's a mistranslation.
So what exactly is a captain level? I think Unohana pretty much put the question into perspective, there are no easy way to get a grasp onto the level differences atm.
In other words, this chapter is turning upside down. If Unohana isn't mistranslated here, then these Sternritter Quincies are stronger than all the captains, with perhaps the exception of the senior 4 (Just maybe). Since in the Aizen case, Ichigo was the only one of them who had not seen Aizen's bankai, it does not mean necessarily mean he's way above them in reatsu, unless he fuses with his hollow of course, then he seems to jump leaps ahead.
So in conclusion: There are 2 senior captains of the 4 likely to be on a higher level than all the other captains.
Unohana is still in question whether she's that destructive when fighting, however it's possible.
That means that possibly all the other captains are outclassed, and even worse, they lost their bankai to boot!
This leaves the 4th senior captain, the captain commander Yama-Jii. I'm sure he's gonna be busy with a certain individual pretty soon...
So assuming Unohana is correctly translated, it means Soul Society does not just refer captain level as minimum requirement to gain bankai, but as a whole measure of all captains.
Knowing this possibility, it means that Soul Society truly is in a really, raally bad situation, because there are 6 Sternritters, and only 3 senior captains!
Keep in mind that Yama-Jii probaby will be kept busy by
Yeps.... I smell doom looking at these numbers, assuming they're correct x_x
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Now, even if among the 16 supposedly captain level people there are people comparable to VCs the shinigami are still in trouble. Basically, these guys would still be able to win against a VC rather easily and give trouble to captains. As far as we know quincy have the holy form which gives them a huge boost. I doubt any single VC would be able to stand against a similarly powerful quincy who has access to a holy form and if what we saw with mayuri and ishida a while back is a good reference then we have the scenario that a VC level quincy could indeed be trouble for a captain. Perhaps not all quincy would get the same boost ishida got from his final form (if it pushes the quincy to his limits then it is possible the holy form is different for everyone) though.
For my memory it's more that Lieutenants are restricted because of their large reatsu, not because they're cable of bankai, which as far as I recall, requires even more reatsu output.
It's not like the level of reatsu to harm humans is equal to that of which is required of bankai.
In other words, that's like saying:
Harmful reatsu levels in human world = Amount of reatsu required to be able to do bankai.
I'm pretty sure we're talking about some old Bleach assumptions that people never got straight back in the days, but I could be wrong.
I mean, lets get some facts on the table to clear all doubt *Off for a while*
I had a scary thought that I hope Kubo doesn't do: what if VR emperor is old man Yama's son....
I immediately assumed that those 6 SR that are "captain level or higher" are those fighting the 6 captains (the 4 who lost bankais, Rose and Kyoraku) - we saw other SR and even saw some fighting, but only 6 are fighting captains and 6 are mentioned, so it follows logically that captain level means being able to fight on par with a captain (we have no fodder captains, just senior ones, so let's thake it to be on par with a regular captain). We have seen a short Kira vs punker SR, but that SR was not included, and Kira is by no means a fodder VC, so it might be that Akon's talking about captain forum-level (I'm not very sure, it might be just that Akon didn't include uncertain information, like a VC beaten by a different SR, in his report).
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That said, kira being at the level of a VC has the necessary logical implication that he would be actual cannon fodder against the likes of a captain level enemy. That much has been consistent through the series. All VCs are fodder in face of captain level enemies.
Rukia referred to Ikkaku as captain-level before, I guess captain-level reiatsu has a pretty wide range. Weak members of SR may indeed be on par with VCs but since shinigami are unable to fight at full power, they will still cause problems.
I'm surprised that Urahara didn't think Quilge's holy slave technique was worth mentioning. Perhaps he thought it was part of Vollstandig but I think it was such a powerful technique that it deserved separate mention. It practically enhanced Quilge's combat abilities from losing to Ayon to obliterating it, I wonder if shinigami are already aware of it because it seems it can give quincies the edge.
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