When seeing BB he reminds me of several shinigami characters, namely Kenny, but there may also be a resemblance to Kyorakou and Isshin. Maybe Kubo will drop a hint in the 500th chapter
What are your thoughts?
Well this guy has been around since, Yamamoto was first commander of the Gotei 13. So I imagine, there must have been an alliance at one point with the Shinigami and Quincy. But this guy probably felt all hollows should be destroyed or something, since he is human and humans are basic food for hollows. Maybe this man, lost a loved one to hollows and felt failed by Soul Society.
Personally, I think this guy is connected to Ichigo in some way or maybe Ichigo's mother.
to be honnest im not sure i want him to die yet he seems like he'd be a good right hand man to the king in the 2nd part of the war no? (being the only one with extensive early Ichigo battle experience now probably makes him valuable too) i wouldnt mind if he escaped somehow, make things interesting later
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even throughout the fact that he kept his cool and his mind on the mission the king gave him while avoiding being overwhelmed by Ichigo's raw power/speed (as most do) all at the same time, till the very end....i was definetly impressed, potential for a strong character imo
lets add how smart and on point Urahara usually is and to have forced his(Kirge) way out of a situation that even Urahara thought had too low of a percentage (im sure thats how he thinks lol) is impressive too if u dont choose to look at it as simply Urahara's mistake....then Kirge did a pretty damn impressive job
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I hope allon frees himself and gets rid of that idiot quincy. then,he will help freeing ichigo,with urahara,chad,orihime and the tres bestia
As much as people try to see droids with same power lvls endlessly batter eachother till you can say they are just as strong because they got the same parameters. This is not a given in this story, nor in any real life event.
Take any martial arts and you see many people compete on the same lvl, as well as weightclass (boxing/judo as example). You always got a few that are even close to getting the gold medal, yet all compete on the same lvl. Those few gifted ones you can say are the Ichigos. the rest are like your average captain lvl.
Its not that these others dont qualify its just that they are not as gifted or skilled. In any area of expertise. Be it cunning, battle experience or stamina. And sometimes a certain oponent is more suited to your skills , yet you might lose to someone that would be beaten by the ones that are more suited for you. Nothing is determined by a fixed nr of points.
Many people treat this battle mechanism with a given lvl.
Ichigo is 100
Ishida is 90
Orihime is 80
Then logic predicts that Ichigo would beat all those below him, and Ishida those below him. But it just doesnt work like that. You need to think of all variables like range. close combat, healing abilities, etc etc etc.
The only golden rule is that Ichigo will always win *in the end* since hes the main character. End of my entry
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@the great one.
Ulquiorra's second form doesn't exactly make him the "strongest" espada anymore than Nnoitra having the "hardest iron hierro", Zommari being the "fastest" or Szayelaporro being the most intelligent. Barragan actually considered himself the strongest, irregardless of the ranking system given by Aizen.
And Kirge is only being kept alive to keep the anticipation going for Ichigo's arrival to Soul Society so that we all keep reading the series period. Kubo has done this before dozens of times and some people try to rationalize the obvious, but I'm not. Fact is, Kirge should be dead, but Urahara left him alive for what reason is beyond me. You would think that if the Quincy are killing your people, you'd show them no mercy as well and Urahara is too smart to make such a minor / rookie mistake.
besides, Kirge has to stay alive anyways, in order to hold Ichigo and somebody is going to take him out, it's just a matter of who. as i said, I'm guessing Grimmjow returns.
i mean come on who are you kidding Ulquiiorra was trashing Ichigo around BEFORE he transformed and after that it wasnt even close i cant imagine how after seeing that.....meh
and i mean as for this
and then u state (yet again) that essentially because Urahara is so smart he's infallible....well based on your theory there Aizen shouldnt have ever lost either because he was so damn smart...being a genuis doesnt make you infallible, does it mean it has to necessarily be that Urahara KEPT him alive, he can't possibly make a miscalculation?, keeping him alive in such a crucial situation doesnt seem like much of a sign of intelligent in that moment either
so its essentially impossible for it to be simply because Kirge's good right? thats your whole thing?
well thats one opinion, just dont state it as fact unless of course ur Kubo undercover in North American Forums.....
the fact that the king is QUITE aware of Ichigo being one of the 5 weapons of this war and yet felt Kirge could handle it (so he had enough faith in him even after double checking who's near that area) means nothing? so the King's (who easily disposed of 2 of his members) vote of confidence means nothing? its all jus plotkai.....ight then
oh well whatever happens happens, unlike you i HOPED he might survive, but didnt state that he will lol
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speaking of obvious
its KUBO's story he's gonna keep whoever he wants alive thats how its been from the start....now on the other hand if for example Toshiro were to die and somehow came back without much of an explanation.....then we can throw the argument of Kubo 'KEEPING' or bringing someone back for other reasons then his story....fanservice....Grimmjow is an example of this....otherwise Kirge being 'kept alive' well why couldnt it jus be part of KUBO'S story and plan all along?....
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@ SaitoSpike & FetherMan
Judging how easily the king wacks his own subjects, its possible that Kirge was never up to the task. However he might be using him to delay Ichigo long enough to turn the tide in his favor. As in launching the attack against SS taking those bankais and then turn attention towards Ichigo.
At least thats how it seems for me. That dude is nothing important and his entire personality supports the notion of expendable character.
The idea of Kirge not dieing? Why wouldnt he. What i expect is someone showing up to finish this guy off so Ichigo can go on to SS.
Characters are not kept alive to keep people reading. Not that that isnt the entire idea of a manga to make special moments to make people wonder whats next, but that is hardly worth mentioning since thats a common fact. Whats more interesting is what will happen next,
Will Ichigo break free himself using a buildup of his own power?
Someone of his current available comrads frees him?
A arrancar of the ones there does it?
Or maybe a new character that arives on the scene.
Thing is if you get anoyed with these so called that we all keep reading the series period. maybe your just bored with it?
At least it looks like you dont enjoy reading it or i might be wrong.
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i mean @Fetherman said that Kubo has done this dozens of times with characters like him before but i mean i cant seem to remember one character who gave strong ppl, especially Ichigo this much trouble, who was jus a stepping stone and didnt get a bit more spotlight in the story...correct me if im wrong but i mean unless Kirge is the equivalent of Dordoni (who out of Ichigo's enemies has been the most pointless) cuz otherwise the list of one on one fights with Ichigo is quite a list...is one way to put it...and they;'ve always come back for round 2 90% of the time
imo Kirge is NOT the Dordoni of this arc that spot clearly belonged to Asgiaro who got clowned by Ichigo and then thrown away by the King in the span of a few chapters lol
another thing to consider is that Kirge was seemingly the only Captain sent to take over HM, despite the fact that there are Arrancar who were known to be on par with or stronger than Captains in SS...jus a side note tho
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but hey in the end Kirge has already proven himself, i think thats my whole point....it'd be interesting to see him escape and come back imo but my main point is that this guy was clearly no push over as we mayu have thought....lets be honnest this is the NEW Ichigo being able to not get completely destroyed by him when he's in Bankai mode should say something, isnt it a clear indication that at the very least Kirge is at the senior Captains levels-ish
Last edited by SaitoSpike; July 07, 2012 at 06:58 PM.
Kirge might be the toughest guy on the block but didnt he state himself that the stern ritters are even more tougher? Also we have little or no reference as to what this Ichigo can do. For all we know his power increased substantially judging how Kirge nuked the hulk (Ayon) into submission. Whiped the floor with the winks girls (Harribels fraccion) and gets up after our local Geisha in disquise (yes Urahara) popped up and shot him. This guy already took a hell of a beating from characters that are to be reconned with. Ichigo had little trouble dealing with him, other then this last minute surprise that caught him.
What im saying is that for all we know Ichigo shruggs him off and sends him into the next dimension (Vegeta vs pui pui styl). And makes his way to SS.
This doesnt say that Kirge is weak or anything of the sort but more that Ichigo grew substantially.
Other option is another character helping Ichigo but is that so likely?
To those that want Grimjow back and i supose he will show up sooner or later, its more likely for him to have a seperate ocassion to show up then to beat up some poor sucker thats already been hammered into submission and uses his final move to stall Ichigo.
but are these quincies so strong?? they fear bankai,whereas not even the espada feared them. I hope the stern ritter are much much much stronger than kirge.
I dont think SS is in that much trobule as it seems. Ichigo got trapped for a reason, which would be so we can see all the captain's bankais as soon as they get rid of the anti bankai thing. Think about it, it is the last part of bleach the end of the manga, so we must see all the bankais, or we will be unsatisfied, at least i will be.
I dont think the numbers of Stern and their strength is something that will be much of a problem for SS with their bankais, without them it is a problem, but if u count how much power SS has, its not that bad.
They have 10 captains + Rose, Love, Hirako and Kensei, they have Yoroichi, Ishin, Urahara on the bench and they have undead powerhouse Aizen waiting in jail to showoff his bankai before Bleach ends.
So that is 18 captain strength people, so i dont think they r in trouble, Kubo just wants some deppresion for SS before he whips out the bankais, noone important died yet, and i hope someone does since it would bring much more to the story.