Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
Never said they weren't good at it. They're all kage level, they HAVE to be good at it. Well, they don't have to. Naruto's Kage level and he only has one Fuuton of note. I'm just saying, Sasuke's more than good at it. Bee has ONE Raiton that we know of, that's sharper than the average Fuuton. A and his dad have Raiton Armor, but it's damageable by Chidori and no matter how versatile it is, is simply charging your body with Raiton (which Sasuke does on a regular basis, but only in his had with Chidori). It's not Sasuke's skill that would keep him from recreating this feat, it's the fact that he doesn't have bijuu level chakra.
So from a technical standpoint, Sasuke's the most impressive Raiton user, as he can perform a Raiton that is beyond the limits of human ability.
The Third's Nukite has better reach and way more power than a Raikiri, the guy blowed away a giant wall and a lot of shinobi just by passing from 4 fingers to 3.
You know I share your desire, I don't like the idea of Mecha Naruto vs Mecha Sasuke one bit.
Still the actual fight is pretty good, and I'm sure Kishi will show a lot of good action between Sasuke and Naruto, regardless of Bijuu Mode or Rin'negan/Perfect Susano'o.
As for Sasuke vs Raikage, I believe against the Third he would lose, against A he would win:
if with an incomplete Susano'o they ended the match with a tie, I don't have a doubt with a complete one he would kill Raikage before he could deal massive damage
Yet against Nagato he used Susano'o mostly offensively ( to cut his arm, to deal with Chibaku Tensei and to seal him, basically since the fight started ) and against Kabuto both of them were on the defensive, and when Kabuto lowered his guard it was Itachi, and not Sasuke, who went on the offensive.
If we are talking strictly about a technical point of view ( meaning understanding of the element and general knowledge of it ) then I concur that Sasuke is indeed the best, since it's pretty damn difficult to bind a thunderbolt to your control and fire it at your opponent and no one has ever hinted to be capable to do something like that
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lol. da f**k ?.
who has time to read all that?.
Kirabi fighting with his unique seven sword style is completely different from Orochimaru magical sword usage, which are both clearly different from Sasuke's standard sword usage. And Sasuke would be considered the best. He matched both Kirabi and Mifune at blades while injured/exhausted and held his own. Also, Sasuke's Kusanagi is completely different from the one Orochimaru uses. Sasuke's is by all accounts just a regular sword, while Orochimaru's is an actual legendary weapon.
Um, when a clone is created, the chakra is evenly divided between the real Naruto and the clones. So the clones would in fact be the same as the original. And what are you talking about? Naruto isn't merely powerful because of the amount of chakra he has. Have you missed basically every fight Naruto's been in where he has created clones to help? I suppose Naruto with only about 1/50 of his chakra wasn't much of a threat against Deva Pain, huh? And Nagato and Tobi are a threat because of their abilities, not because Naruto goes into fights without his "max chakra".
Um, yeah, Had Naruto thrown a FRS against the cloakless Raikage, he would have died, because without his cloak he has average defenses. I never argued otherwise. Also, it has nothing to do with chakra, as the FRS does not cost as much as the Bijuu Rasengan.
Naruto would hardly "stomp" Ee. Speed is only one factor, one that's is only possible if Naruto has gone into his complete form. Outside of that or the usage of shunshin, which only last for a moment, Naruto isn't that fast considering every opponent we've seen has been able to keep up with him. The numbers don't be much against Ee. Nor do summons, considering Ee was capable of fighting even the Hachibi. And Ee has at least eight tails worth of chakra, considering the only Bijuu Karin ever saw was the Hachibi, so the difference would only be a tail's worth. There's nothing implying Naruto is stronger, in fact, considering Ee literally makes holes with every punch while Naruto has never done so, Ee should obviously be considered stronger. Sensoring in Sage Mode is meaningless here, since switching would mean Naruto would lose the ability to keep up in speed and hatred sensing doesn't seem as if it'll do any good against a straight opponent like Ee. Exactly what advice could the Kyuubi grant Naruto about Ee, someone who he logically never met? The chakra arms aren't that much of a threat as shown by Sasuke and Orochimaru, Frog Katas don't have much range, the FRS and co are slow enough to dodge, and the Bijuu Blast would be handled by simply getting up close. And just because he was actinmg on emotions against Sasuke doesn't mean Ee can use strategies. Ee's been shown plenty strategic. Just look at his fight with Minato, where after seeing Hiraishin once, Ee came up with a plan to counter it. The only edge Naruto has over Ee is the elemental advantage, which actually limits him in attacking and thus removes his versatility.
As explained by Lee, no matter how good the prediction ability of the Sharingan is, if Sasuke wasn't physically capable of moving fast enough, it wouldn't have made a difference. To even make use of the prediction he got from the Sharingan to dodge Kirabi and Ee, Sasuke would still have to have been near their speed, else it would have been a repeat of the Lee situation, where he saw them but still got hit.
What? The only two moves Sasuke has ever copied were the Lion Combo and Chidori, which has nothing to do with him learning elements, since they can't be simply copied. Not to mentioned that he mastered fire nature before he had even awoken his Sharingan. So again, Sasuke learn it in just a week instead of years like it was said to take. Orochimaru stated that Sasuke was a greater genius then he was at the same age. Kakashi also praised Sasuke's genius.
So you're taking what happen in a genjutsu and simply ignoring what happen in real life? And how does Itachi barely fighting make him better then Sasuke who had an extended fight while still recovering? Um, Sasuke was never made out to be "head Uchiha" or "big man on campus". He's a protagonist and Naruto's rival, which means that his power is limited, else it would ruin the story. Madara on the otherhand is a final villain, meaning he's so powerful in order to be a greater threat. Sasuke was shown equal to Lee in taijutsu, which clearly shows us where he's at. And no, Kakashi couldn't have done as good against Kirabi.
I have no idea where you came up with such a belief. There's no way that Itachi would be able to defeat more opponents then Sasuke, in fact, due to his lightning nature, Sasuke would logically have the edge over several opponents that Itachi wouldn't be able to defeat.
Everything we have seen states otherwise. We've seen that Sasuke can catch a prefect Jinchuuriki in a genjutsu, and in a fight where he doesn't have to take him alive, Sasuke has no reason to end it there. We've also seen that dodging Amaterasu is about forewarning, not mere speed. We saw, with no forewarning, that Naruto in fact would be incapable of dodging Amaterasu in time. And Sasuke's recent preformances shows that "staying in his blind spots" doesn't mean Amaterasu won't hit. Susanoo solves the number issues, and if Naruto was to completely transform, then he would logically be making himself a huge target for Sasuke. And Susanoo doesn't make Sasuke slower, we have seen that Susanoo moves at the speed of the user. No one is saying that Sasuke isn't Naruto's equal. In fact, there are dozens of threads in the KA explaining otherwise.
Um, no. Naruto preformance against Tobi is hardly just because of Tobi's ability. If that was the case, if Naruto was truly faster, then he would be capable of doing like Minato and winning by sheer speed, before Tobi could activate said defense. But in fact, we've seen twice Tobi actually tank a blow from Naruto with no damage. So if Tobi can handle Naruto, Sasuke can too.
You are the one arguing about what people could do. Either that applies to everyone, or you can't apply it to Sasuke. Anyway, Jiraiya can use Frog Katas, as that's taijutsu used while in Sage Mode. Taijutsu didn't work on Animal Path, or Deva Path while it was powerless. The only Path that taijutsu took out was Hungry Path. None of the others that was hit by Naruto with just taijutsu were defeated.
Um, how does Sasuke's EMS not have a new spin on it when he has a bunch of different abilities then Madara?
So? Having the time doesn't mean he used the time. Kakashi seem perfectly happy with the Chidori/Raikiri, so he had no reason to keep going. Not to mention, that Kakashi is an active ninja, so it wouldn't even be like he had that much time to himself. Most powerful move ever? Um, that would pretty much go to the Bijuu Blast, which only a Jinchuuriki would be capable of learning. The Rasengan itself is even in power with the Chidori, so there wouldn't be much further Kakashi could take it in power then he already had. Yeah, Naruto had the chakra reserves to create a bunch of clones to use a shortcut. And Naruto took more then a year. How did Kakashi wimp out when he created a technique equal in strength to the Rasengan and later upgraded it?
Good thing strength isn't merely dependent on what technique one knows. Anyway, we've seen twice, against Gaara and against Kirabi, that Sasuke is plenty powerful without employing his Sharingan. And again, nope. The Sharingan itself is not an "extremely powerful ability". It has limits and has been shown perfectly able for others to get around.
And that's the point, that despite all his power, he's still doing the worst against Tobi. He has done the worst against Nagato, and the Edo Jinchuuriki. And it's not all about raw power. Sasuke doesn't need some god tier power to match up to those ninjas, not when he has his intelligences and versatility. Creative use of his current abilities would be more then enough, just like against Danzo.
I don't know about Rinnegan (I don't like the idea of Sasuke gaining it >.>) but there seems to be some other Dojutsu,Uchiha clan ancestor's Dojutsu.Is this true or it's just wiki messing up.
His dojutsu is quite similar to Rinnegan but it doesn't have ripple pattern but spiral pattern.I wonder if Sasuke would get this
I don't think that's possible for him, it seems the spiral Rinnegan was available to the first Uchiha and possibly the next few lines until the blood apparently thinned too much.
i have a feeling we are about to see sasuke's HAWK SAGE MODE
The Uchiha ancestor eyes are probably a weaker version of Rinnengan, meaning the eyes don't exist.
Looks like Sasuke powers will come from his Enton jutsu.
With Sasuke Summonings Snake that pretty much tells me he doesn't have hawk sage, better yet there's no such thing IMO.
With that said, Sasuke needs a power up but not from the jutsu side. His enton makes his jutsu limitless. He need more power and speed, he really need a type if Sage mode.