The fact you use english better doesn't intrest me as well. I'm sure I can use French, German and Polish better than you. Using fact, that english is my 3rd language against me is childish and shows how immature in discussion you actually are. Knowledge of language has nothing to do with it. If I had known english better, maybe you would have understood what I wanted to say (or not, you're ignorant brat who needs to show his superiorty in internet).
Good day to you, and thank you for that discussion. At least now I know I should improve my english.
You don't see Ichi as a genius because he didn't do anything as impressive as certain other chars. That is true, he didn't.
I, on the other hand, see smaller achievements, but in a very short time. That short time makes him a genius for me, not the overall achievements, because my definition of genius is mainly by speed of growth.
The way I see it, those 2 views are not comparable - both are correct in its own right. I could at most have Cookie monster use its MS on you
Cookie Monster? Sounds lethal. XD
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It's not directed at anybody in particular, that's what PMs are for ^^ - Darj
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I'd say that by that definition, Ichigo is a genius, but only in certain skills. It's been stated a few times that he was picking up sword fighting skills with great speed. Also, Urahara's device allowed him to achieve bankai, but that was only because he had already reached the point where he was able to physically manifest Zangetsu in the outside world, in his fight with Kenpachi. He's also demonstrated an ability to pick up on his opponent's tactics mid-battle. He did this against Renji, when he worked out that Zabimaru could only extend 3 times in a row (he was proven wrong, but still), and more notably when he figured out Gin's bankai, despite Gin's attempt to misdirect his attention. In other areas, he's certainly lacking. Like Renji, I don't think Ichigo will ever be a Kido practitioner.
I've started wondering about Aizen, though. I disagreed with the notion that having Kyoka Suigetsu somehow meant he wasn't one, he just looked like one, but the thing is we don't know how he ended up so powerful. He might have been born that strong, or he might have spent centuries working up to that level. Ichigo suggests it was the former, but he doesn't really know. But if Aizen was born able to do all of this, then can he still be called a genius, having never had to learn? Or does that in fact make him a genius? Hmmm.
Anyway, I will concede that as others have mentioned, he had an intimate knowledge of his enemies' tactics and protocol, so it was relatively easy for him to predict what SS would do and act accordingly. Still, he qualifies as an able tactician and manipulator. He's undeniably intelligent, what with his numerous scientific developments. He's also shown that he's capable of quick deduction, as demonstrated with how he handled Shinji's shikai ability.
But probably Aaroniero would have access to it, you are right.
By looking at the respective periods, it is plausible indeed. Byakuya became a captain around 49 years ago and Renji wasn't even a VC at that point. He had just recently joined the Gotei 13, I guess, like Rukia or even later than her, since Rukia's graduation was setup by the Kuchiki family. He achieved the Bankai in less than 50 years, without being a genius.
110 years ago, Kaien was referred to as a genius and he was 13th Squad's VC by the time Rukia joined Gotei 13, which means the amount of time passed between is around 61 years or so. So, in my opinion, for Kaien to achieve Bankai in such a period of time should be at least within possibilities, even if he didn't quite achieve it.
Not fast enough
Then, it's not a total disintegration. Probably that possessing Hollow absorbed his Zanpakuto's spirit, as well. It now makes sense that Kaien apparently didn't have a Bankai.
Though I don't like it when a genius was unable to achieve Bankai in so much time.
110 years ago, Byakuya was a teenager kid and around 50 years ago, he was promoted. In about 60 years of training, he achieved Bankai and he wasn't considered to be a genius, since Gin was the successor genius to Kaien.
I don't like this, hm.
Kaien losing his zan isn't that much of a deal, especially considering shikai can be repaired. As long as Aaroniero had access to Kaien's reiatsu, he could recreate the sword with all the powers it had (and no reason to think Kaien had bankai, he was too young for that even as a genius).
As I said, it was around that age that Byakuya already achieved the Bankai (because he was promoted already), so, it's not something unprecedented.