Quick Robin, hand me the Obito Repelling Bat-Spray!!
Buahhhhh (Orochimaru barfing sound) how I knew this was going to happen again...
If Tobi is Obito and not just someone using his eye (I'am looking at you Izuna...) then how comes he's the one who's given Nagato his Rinnegan? And how the hell can those eyes be "his" so that he's just taking back what originally belonged to him anyway? Nagato got his Rinnegan when Obito was wearing diapers... so unless Obito isn't a time traveler or started plotting his plan while he was feeding on his mothers breasts, its simply IMPOSSIBRU!!
I believe tobi is izuna using obitos eye, I examined on page 1
Now, for all of the people who jump on the Tobi is Obito line of thinking, this confirms *Nothing* about who he is, it does however confirm that Kakashi and Tobi have the eyes *of* Obito, if Kakashi is so good at analysing things I'm pretty sure he would not have asked "where did you get that eye from" it would have been more like "what has happened to you Obito!?"Quote:
Now obviously you cannot discount the possibility it's him and its what Kishi has intended to do (i.e. the running theme of team mates becoming rivals - Sarutobi/Danzou (to an extent) Jiraiya/Orochimaru, Kakashi/Obito (maybe) Naruto and Sasuke) but it would seriously be the worst twist, confirming something everyone has thought of from the begining, with a very weak storyline and lots of plotholes (Obito's age, becoming able to take on Minato, control the Kyuubi etc etc)
I seriously hope it is not Obito, but my prediction if it is him is the following :
Madara finds Obito under the rock just after Kakashi and Rin leave the scene, he uses the first's cells to heal up Obito and turns him in to his follower, as he is dying he passes on instructions to Obito about Nagato/the infinate Tsukyomi etc etc and entrusts him to bending Nagato to his will in order to revive the original Madara at some point to carry out the plan, Obito intented to carry out the plan on his own accord (the hatred of the uchiha corrupted Obito blah blah blah) but Kabuto ruined this by reviving ET Madara which is why Tobi has seemed impatient and has revived the Jyuubi without it being complete.
I agree Tobi = Obito does not fit the timeline or the common sense. However, is it common sense that we are seeing all the dead in this war? During the last few chapters, Tobi seems to addressed Kakashi in a sarcastic / mocking manner and like he knows him. This is one thing troubling me. Is it because he has Obito's eye? Could he have a relationship with Obito?
Kyuubi wants to exchange some words with Tobi, I wonder what it has to say. I actually had a hard time believing what Kyuubi is saying to Naruto. I assume its the translation...
It can't possibly be Obito just based on the timeline. He has obito's eye, but he isn't Obito.
You all are missing the most important part of the spoilers
Now, who are the only persons that know about the promises kakashi made ? Yep, Obito and Rin.Quote:
So how can you explain Tobi to know about them ? hint hint
Which is something I can like, at least he is useful not only as a chakra battery.
Naruto going Bijuu mode ( ? ) at the end its pretty promising
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Holy mother of common sense... Tobi has Obitos eye... Such a... TWIST! ... Whats next, he has black hair?
Kakashi: "O...Obito? Is that really you old friend...?"
Tobi:"Nah, I'm fuckin' with you. Could you imagine? I mean hell, I have space time jutsu, but I can't really travel through time. You kids were in diapers when I was doing experiments on Nagato."
Though I'll be serious. I think it's lame that bit characters get unique MS jutsu while Sasuke, Madara, and Itachi all have the same primary skillset. The only reason any Sasuke fan at all got hyped about the thought of Sasuke gaining MS is because we all wanted to see him develop completely unique abilities. And with the threat of him gaining Rinnegan later there's even less chance he'll get anything unique when he gets THAT.
Though something else that's odd. It seems any MS user that doesn't have "the big three", only has one ability that works with both eyes. Kotoamatsukami was usuable with both eyes. And now Kamui is. If we can indeed call Tobi's eye ability Kamui. I used to call it Super Kamui.
I think I'll start back doing it. Seems appropriate considering all it can do.
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It would also make sense that other MS powers would be may more haxed than the ones Itachi, Madara and Sasuke have, you may have hax, but you have only a single jutsu ( Kotoamatsukami, Kamui ), meaning that if someone has a counter to it you're screwed.
It's easier to find a counter to Kotoamatsukami or Kamui that to find a counter to Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano'o
Very interesting spoilers. So at the very least, if it isn't Obito, then it's at least his eye. Pretty much what most people thought from the start.
So much for people who tried to prove that Obito's eye got crushed by analyzing angles of lights and shadows...
This is a manga, not quantum physics.
How could Tobi have done something in the name of Uchiha Madara, without actually having done it?
Well, maybe the same way he didn't neccesarily have those rival battles with Shodaime that he explained to Sasuke? But the actual Madara did. Likewise, he may have given the eyes to Nagato, and Tobi simply refers to Madara's deeds as his own. He has done it in the past.
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Ok guys lets piece this together
1. Tobi has just stated he got the sharingan(when obito unlocked it) at the bridge where Obito is supposed to have died
2. Tobi seems familiar with Kakashi and Gai and even knows that Gai forgets People faces which means Tobi is definitely from Konoha
3. The only ninja from Konoha that we know were present on the bridge that day are Kakashi,Obito,Rin and The fourth
Strong evidence is pointing towards Obito. I have a feeling the other dimension is some kind of hyperbolic time chamber. kakashi was talking about a delay between when he warped the thing and when it hit. Maybe time progresses twice as quick or something in the other dimension which is why Tobi looks older than he is.
Maybe Tobis sharingan enabled him to time travel(massive guessing here) back to madaras time. Who knows. We've seen an uchiha jutsu izanagi which supposedly allows someone to fake death despite a steak being rammed through their body. Anythings possible in this manga
Not necessarily, if Obito would've had access to both Tobi and Kakashi's version of Kamui. If the Tobi they're fighting now could both warp objects with his eyesight, turn intangible, and send things to his alternate dimension I don't see how someone with Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, or Susanoo would be a bigger threat.Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
For one, they'd never hit him with their chakra intensive attacks. Ghost Mode tends to be little on the chakra drain from what we've seen (though Hashi's DNA could have something to do with that).
Then there's the ability to hide in your own little world, never getting hurt. Or potentially warp attacks back at people (Kakashi warped away Deidara's arm and it stayed in our dimension, just sent somewhere else. Refining the jutsu would probably allow for controlling where things are warped to).
Not to mention the only way to hurt Ghost Mode Tobi is by being S/T fast, or having access to Kamui yourself... Or flooding the battlefield with bazillions of attacks. None of those seem easy where as Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi have been survived ad nauseum.