I kinda agree. When Sasuke got MS from feeling the grief of knowing that Itachi loved him and gave his life for him, it was a bit of time in between before he gained the MS (enough time to where he was healthy enough to walk around, aswell as gain some new threads reunite with Taka). Obito however had minutes before he'd die.
Not safely. Tobi still has Izanagi as an option aswell as Rinnegan abilities he hasn't relied on.Originally Posted by Roman
Bijuudama? Absorb it.
Speed blitz from Bijuu Mode Naruto? Intangibility. Hell, he could do something as simple as warping near Kakashi so that Naruto CAN'T use a Bijuudama without obliterating his teacher. There's more ways to win a fight then overwhelming power.
Naruto's not dominating anything. He'll win, but it's not gonna be half as easy as you want it to.
TOBI IS OBITO
i support this now
basically when kakashi and rin were running away and obito was THIS close getting every single intestine crushed to smithereens, in that one second he saw a vision of rikudo
rikudo gave up on everything and entrusted his will on obito
obito got an immense power boost to lift the rocks
his body was damaged because of it so he then used his untold genius to create zetsu
in a few minutes he developed his suckish sharingan to godtier by just staring at himself (and genius) in the mirror as zetsu was patching him up
for the first time obito used his s/t jutsu on himself and inside the void he found madara's spirit flying around
madara brainwashed obito and taught him some epic warlord things and gave him rinnegan in exchange that obito follows moon eye plan and ressurects madara
when obito returned from the dimension, he was filled with HAET
he used his genius to change his name as well, by changing the order of letters and subtracting a letter
and so we have...tobi
did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.
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Last edited by Roman; August 12, 2012 at 04:30 PM.
hyped beyond beliefs ( Kisame almost one-shotted, dodged Raikage like a boss ) then its reveladed to be nothing more than a base Naruto with chakrarms.
Still I have hope, Kishi usually is good with fights that do not have Susano'o in them, we'll see.
I doubt Naruto will fail after all this though, Kyuubi gave him the last kick on his ass to make him move forward, while its pretty clear that Kishi will unravel Tobi's mistery around chapter 600.
What I'm getting at is the literal only damage done to Tobi was with the aid of a ninja who's nearly exhausted from chakra usage. Do you think Kakashi has the stamina for 2 more Kamui? 3? Even then, if Naruto's using his "faster than Hiraishin speed" to try to blitz Tobi, how's Kakashi gonna time his Kamui to guarantee that the attack hits, when he can't even follow Naruto's movements?
Then there's Tobi's fatigue (I've yet to see any heavy breathing and we can't see his face to notice any sweatdrops, lol). I find it hard to believe someone incorporating Hashirama's DNA into their body would get tired easily. Add to that the fact that he can repurpose absorbed chakra to fuel himself (like how Nagato made himself healthy again from absorbing some of Bee's chakra) and I don't see him tiring out any time soon. Even wasting his Sharingan isn't that big of a loss considering his opponents already know how to defeat the one jutsu it gives him access to. If he was in a situation where death was inevitable there's no way he wouldn't sacrifice his eye.
We're about to see a genuine fight. Bijuu Mode might push Tobi to the edge, but only until the Jyuubi is revived. It'd be a complete anti-climactic waste otherwise.
For what it's worth my take on this chapter:
1) Still not sold on Tobi being Obito until he spouts those words out of his own mouth and shows us his face. Understand, that if Tobi was indeed Obito, that means he would have to have "awakened" his S/T jutsu in his dying minutes of life. Considering he hadn't even evolved his Sharigan to 3 tomoe yet, this seems highly unlikely.
Also, even if he had, he would have needed immediate medical attention for the massive injuries to his body. Considering there was no one around to give him that at that time, this adds to the highly unlikely reasoning being Obito.
2) While the eye almost certainly is Obito's, I'm still curious as to why it seems Tobi doesn't need to use MS to achieve S/T yet Kakashi does. Still fuzzy on that.
3) Naruto charging at Tobi makes little sense until you realize that Tobi can't use his S/T jutsu anymore out of fear of Kakashi warping an attack at him. This of course means, he will now have to block and dodge and use the Rinnegan to fight instead of relying on his S/T jutsu.
4) As bad as I want to see the conclusion to this fight, especially now that Naruto and the Kyuubi are like BFF's, I really want Madara to slaughter the Kages. I can't fathom how they stand any chance against his immortal ass, and it's about time he kills some of them.
Yeah, he should be powerful as all hell, but the man controlled the Jins, Bijuus, is trying to resurrect the Juubi and is continuously spamming that Kamui thing which makes him use his Mangekyou Sharingan. That much chakra drain should put even Rikudou in a pinch. Also, I don't know how would wasting a Sharingan for Izanagi be any useful (unless it's a finish move) since he'd lose that Kamui thing and any other Sharingan tech for that matter.
Butttttt, we'll probably be surprised by Kishi, again.
Last edited by Roman; August 12, 2012 at 04:48 PM.
Well looking at it, i dont think Sasuke really had realised it until he really did awake his Mangekyo.
He only awoke it when he remember Itachi the way he really was, and when he made sense of the true meaning of Itachi's words when he was young and 'saying goodbye' and the last words he spoke to him (I'm sorry Sasuke, there won,t be a next time), its at this precise moment that he awoke his Mangekyo.
Seeing the emotional state of Obito in his 'last' moments, he was clearly full of grief as he had just gotten to be friends with Kakashi and was going to loose it right away. I'm not honestly expecting to learn as this point that Obito awoke his Mangekyo and got himself out of his position.
As I said lots of times, TOBI CANT BE OBITO, Tobi has a huge stockpile of uchiha eyes so he took Obito's too but there's no way Obito can know Madara (Madara stated he have a plan with a "fake Madara") or act that cruel way and have that huge knwoledge about the past, the rinnegan, the 10 tails, give Nagato the rinnegan and so on... maybe Tobi is the son of first Hokage or Madara's...
Well in all honesty, given the current look of things , All current shinobies are looking as they may have more chakra than usual, or its simply that we underestimated the real amount they actually have.
Kakashi has been fighting for a while and has used Kamui 3 times and we do know that when he claimed he had 50% chakra left against Pain, two MS usage killed him.
Tobi, according to himself, is a breathing living Uchiha, and we got clear evidence that he is fused with Hashimara's Dna, which means he is bound to have not only a powerful chakra due to his Uchiha chakra but also a lot of it due to hashimara's.
As for the upcoming fight, it's quite predictable that Tobi is gonna play different cards, he has the Rinnegan which he hasnt used at all. Tobi has more means to his disposal.
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According to what he said, he is a living and breathing Uchiha, so he has an Uchiha body, is it his own? Obito's? Someone else's ? We dont know but it could very well be Obito's body, while Obito the mind is dead or kept at bay inside.
And Tobi has not shown even a slight hint of fatigue or caution when it comes to chakra usage. I doubt that will suddenly become a factor. I choose to believe Naruto might figure Tobis 5min thing out after his KM expires and he is able to hit him.
The Obito had a vengeful older brother theory is looking much more plausible.
I couldn't find it in the 23 pages but might not be looking properly, just curious though, do we know when the next one will come out since this came out yesterday? Will it be this week or likely actually next week? I don't know if anyone can tell me what the likelihood is but if you can I'd love to know
Also I'm sorry but I honestly believe somehow Obito is back...knowing about Kannabi Bridge may be well known, but knowing about the prayers at the Memorial Stone? I don't know...just hard to believe...