unfair advantage both getting the first strike and Ultear stopped flowing for quite a bit giving him time to charge Gungir and "defeat" her, which was more or less Ultear just losing will to battle than actually losing in combat.
Contrary to what one may think, a large, large majority take the fillers at least half-canon.
Anyway, I do agree Mirajane's aim is to overwhelm and destroy her opponents. However, I don't think the enemy will withstand it. Assuming both are at full power and Mirajane hasn't used Satan Soul in the day, we have yet to ever see her lose - or even be on any brink of losing magical power upon her first summon and she shouldn't assume so for Gray. Now, this isn't saying she has unlimited power, but we have to take into account that from what we've seen with Freed, Mary, Azuma and even Jenny that she doesn't stop her attacks, when she's winning (although in the case of Azuma, she got hit a few times from Lisanna and stopped to look at Lisanna). She usually however doesn't stop her attacks until they're pretty much on the ground really.
There isn't such a thing as "half canon", nor is it the reader's decision what to take as canon or not. And the Zentopia incident was defined by one page of 20 others in one chapter and completely without any detail - that does not make the filler canon at all. Twitter doesn't provide much proof either, as it simply didn't appear in the manga.
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2) Of course, to prove or disprove my point on that we'll need some Mira's straight words or real fight when she is not frenzied, fillered, weakened by previous fight or fanserviced. And we have a huge lack of that =(
As long as you agrees Mira is not overwhelmingly stronger than Gray and choosing him for the team is at least might be somehow justified not only by the plot needs - I'm happy =)
It seems you forgot that it's not about Mira vs. Gray fight, it's about who will benefit to the team more. And here I were about to tell of Gray's versatility, his team-up experience with Natsu and Elsa and so on but judging from all previous fights that tournament was mostly full of ass pull wins and comic reliefs. Tag team fights have shown only one combined attack by Bacchus and Rocker and other tag team fight were not even shown. No tactics, no mind games, just sheer stupid crushing power. So what's the point in all that "teamwork" skills? =(
<I'll go cry now>
The point about Twitter was that Mashima was doing the character designs for the filler. He's also written the general plot of the anime filler, but you'd need the cover pages that almost never get translated to prove that.
I don't understand how "Written by the manga author" together with "character designs by the author" and "mentioned in the manga" could possibly result in anything other than it being canon. Obviously he couldn't go into heavy detail about it, because that would make it redundant watching the anime arc at.
Time Arc didn't become useless. Ultear picked up the idiot ball. If she really wanted to win, she could easily have dispelled Greys spells again because he stopped using blood, and regardless there was absolutely no way he could have used his finishing spell with his own blood. She clearly gave up the fight and let grey winQuote:
The point was that Mirajane could blitz someone at very least that has the ability of a normal magician (something Jenny is likely above anyway) - something of which isn't common throughout Fairy Tail.
Anyway, whether or not Mirajane stomps Gray or not should be comparable to Erza vs Gray. I don't think either would stomp him, but I do find it questionable that he would defeat either, in my opinion.
I do think he should've been included instead though, as unlike the others, he has wanted to continue fighting in the tournament since Rufus - so at the very least, he has the motivation for this.
Why should be Fairy Tail here any different than other manga with anime adaptions? Because of one page?
But as you say. Kageyama killing off his comerades in episode 4 is canon, too.
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Also, this is also irrelevant to the original thread, so I don't understand why you quoted just to talk about filler being canon or not as a debate, because the thread is about magic.
The original Mirajane argument seems to have ended, so... hrug:
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And there is also Ice Cannon thing with the attacks you named. He knocked off Lyon with that one.
2) And why in a world that should be compared to Elsa vs. Gray?
The author decides what's canon in his universe because it's his full creation. If the universe is widespread among many authors and the main author of the universe is dead or don't pay much attention to what is canon then the fan base decide what is canon. Just name one fictional universe in which fan base's word is heavier than author's in deciding canon. I doubt you can.
Hey, don't blame him, you started it when you remembered Mira's attack from anime =)
1) Ice canon? Well, that would be funny if that's one of his strongest attacks. It's by all means strong at the start of the series, but I have no clue how he's going to match up to Mira with an attack she could easily dodge with Sitri.
2) Because if it's a stomp against Erza, it's likely a stomp against Mirajane. Even if Erza is stronger than Mirajane, their power would be closer to when compared to the likes of Gray.
Anyway, thanks for also for doing this, despite being aware that it's off-topic. So I will not address the matter publicly outside of discussion over Mirajane's magical power in this thread. If you feel the need to reply, I'll message a reply to you if you're talking just off-topic stuff or reply in the anime thread so we don't get warned.
Last edited by WilliamK; August 21, 2012 at 07:54 PM.