Before posting my theory I'd like to add some visual material:
First meaningful appeareances:
Sons that are smaller than their fathers:
(Measurement unit: One Garp )
-When WB died he was 72 Years Old and Crocodile was 44 Years old.
So, when Crocodile was born... Whitebeard was 28 Years Old.
-Their hair are similar: cut young WB's hair, add just a little bit of hair gel and voilà, yakuza hairstyle.
-Look at their eyes: It's like watching Roger and Luffy.
(I say this because Luffy may be carrying on Roger's Will, not because they are related by blood)
So, that's my theory:
Whitebeard grew without a family as a street child, in a sand country.
When he was still in his twenties, at some point he fell in love with a dark haired girl from nowhere, but unfortunately that love story ended, and he leaved her for the sea.
WB never forgot her and what his life would have been at her side, so even as a pirate he pursued the one and only desire he had as a kid and as a young adult: having a family.
But Edward Newgate wasn't aware that the girl was pregnant.
She grew the baby herself, but when her son was still a kid she died, but before drawing the last breath she told her child about his father, and told him to join his crew. Instantly he blamed WB for the death of his mother, and instead of joining him he became a street child just like his father. Hateful, living a tough life, he discarded his name forever.
Time passed and the boy became a young pirate.
As he was going through adolescence, his chin started to become more and more similar to the one of the man on those bounty posters, the face he was hating so much... so the young pirate searched for a solution until he found Hogback.
What if one of Hogback apprentices were Emporio Ivankov, the future "miracle worker"?
All this happened before this person got his first bounty.
Some more time passed, and the pirate ate a Logia fruit.
Believing himself nearly invincible, he tried to fight Whitebeard, without telling him who he was.
The young man was well known for being arrogant and pitiless towards the weak ones, so Whitebeard obviously began to wipe the whole Red line with him, and the poor guy lost a hand in the process.
At this point the young man tried to stop the carnage by telling Whitebeard "I am your son, my mother name is (?) and my real name is (?)".
The man who calls all his crewmates "sons" and forgives them even if they try to kill him countless times... this man found himself trying to kill his own son, the only one who will never aknowledge him as a father.
It's a fact that Ivankow notices the slightest things, and a chin like the one of Whitebeard isn't nowhere near "slight".
Plus if you find it on a face with the same expression as Whitebeard's, and if you tell the owner of said chin that "some pirates would kill to have it, just to go around telling that they are sons of that infamous man", and the reaction is a glare like "MY HATE IS THOUSANDS YEARS OLD"... well.
One last thing: Let's do some photoshop
So, what do you think?
man the pictures look really convincing.i am not much convinced by the theory part though something better could be made up.personally,i think this could work.you,sir,may be right on money.cheers.
Yeah, to be honest the theory was there just to add a story that had a little logic, the story itself could be more complex/surprising/else, don't know.
What struck me in the first place was the fact that their glare is literally the same. Plus, given their ages they could really be father and son... I mean, look at their eyes!
I don't think he is Whitebeard's son. I think it's more likely that Crocodile is a transgender (female to male) given Ivankov knowing something on him (that seemed to frustrate Crocodile to say the least). I don't see Crocodile as being negatively impacted by being related to Whitebeard at that point in time. His child portrait makes him look more feminine than anything to me.
IIRC his mini series said he was twisted by the loss he suffered in GL (similar to Moria vs Kaido).
The transgender theory is the most mentioned one when we talk about Crocodile and Ivankov, but to be honest I think that the gender swapping ability is Ivankov's most flashy move, openly telling others that he/she knows Crocodile's little secret with that "tehehe" tone... it's like telling everyone that Croc was a female.
Imagine that phrase said by a well renowed sex reassignment surgeon in a public debate, while he's casually talking about a public figure that has a foggy past, and the surgeon is implying that he knows personally that person.
and about the ivankov thing,instead of a son,whitebeard could have a daughter in crocoboy that way ivankov could still change him into a boy.just guessing
not the kind of villain to hold grudges for just loosing and he definitely wouldn't care if he had lost any nakama to whitebeard.
this looks something else,maybe something personal and then these pictures do make for some interesting afterthoughts.
Last edited by takneeque; September 30, 2015 at 03:08 PM.
I honestly can't fathom WB having a son without the world government knowing. The world government was even aware of ace to an extent, somehow and he was born something like 2 years after roger died. I doubt garp was the one who spoke... If anything it makes more sense that the world government would have known about crocodile even if WB himself didn't. And they certainly would have made better use of crocodile if he truly was WB's son.
I don't think so, Whitebeard would seem like a fool if he wanted a family if Crocodile was his child(he never specifically said sons or sons only), so why would he go around gathering these strays who Crocodile could easily have been grouped in? Why would a father utterly defeat his son? Lastly, we saw how Whitebeard reacted when one of his adopted sons stabbed him, he hugged him; based on this utter defeat which is out of character assuming Crocodile is truly his son/daughter, I think there's very little truth to the theory.
Crocodile may also not be a female in the picture, he could just have been very well groomed and that aspect of his character if I'm correct is consistent with his attire and sense of style (of course he's still no competition for Cavendish, lol).
Last edited by Hannibal Psyche; September 30, 2015 at 03:50 PM.
As much as I like the idea, I think the real connection they have is that WB was prolly the one to whom Crocodile lost his hand, and possibly his crew. WB and the Yonko in general can be seen as responsible for ending the dream of many new pirates. It's pretty much similar to how Moria lost to Kaido. So after losing his crew Crocodile decided to join the Shichibukai, since I believe he's the first to join according to the timeline.
Even if WB was young and disappeared quickly from the unknown village, and the girl died few years later, and the kid himself always refused to have his name associated to Whitebeard... what are the chances that the World Government didn't found anything about a possible son?
But then I think that they refused to see Hancock going all Sanji for Luffy at Marineford, and there were plenty of evidences.
What saved Luffy was Hancock's reputation as a man hater... What saved Crocodile was how bad was beaten by a man who considers himself father of countless men, and Croc's hatred towards him.
Even if they found out that there was a single chance that there was a son of that man around... they never considered Crocodile as a suitable candidate. After all it's not like "marines has children that becomes marines, pirates will produce pirates", even if we are talking about Whitebeard. After they found nothing for years, they must have concluded that even if WB had a child of unknown gender... that person was unaware of who his father was, or maybe that person died, or piracy never interested that person anyway.
Son? If anything, Crocodile is his daughter.
i know that i am reaching but the comparision in pictures are very striking so i just want to explore some conclusions.again,one could argue against their similarities to just a coincidence on mangaka's part.
maybe all crocodile had was some loser's beef with wb and it certainly wouldn't make sense to play with wb's history as a caring father after it has been so assuredly established.but as always with oda,the situation is not conclusive and the pictures in op's post have made me think along these lines.i guess i would sleep on it and see if it still holds it's charm in the morning.
Last edited by takneeque; September 30, 2015 at 05:04 PM.
Some even believe that Croc was part of WB's crew, I find that to be highly unlikely. But if it's somewhat related to whatever Ivankov has on him, then it could make sense. But I really don't see Crocodile betraying WB in a similar manner as BB.Not that it's not his type, just that it would be repetitive.
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It would be nice to have a definite answer, and I hope Oda is planning to explain those bits about Crocodile's past, hopefully when he gets reintroduced again.
Last edited by ladylola; September 30, 2015 at 05:57 PM.