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    Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    I would like to learn what forum members here are expecting in regards to when we'll see Sanji and the rest again, and how y'all feel about this relatively unprecedented splitting of the crew.

    We haven't seen the Sunny team, with Ceasar & Momonosuke, since chapter 730. Next week, chapter 740 comes out, and there is so much going on in Dressrosa, Oda could easily leave the Sunny Team's fate up in the air for a good while longer, and still have four or five plot threads to cliffhanger us back and forth between. Since about chapter 732, I've been thinking we won't see Sanji and the rest until 99% of Dressrosa is wrapped up. I could be wrong - there is still the chance Oda could revisit Sunny at a random time, or after a couple more Dressrosa events are wrapped up (Sugar falling, the coliseum battle concluding, etc.), or they could show up out of the blue back on Dressrosa, having evaded or beaten Big Mom's ship and/or visited and returned from Zou. But, I don't think that will happen.

    Which would mean, we won't see half of the Strawhats for, perhaps, 30 more chapters. And, when we finally do, we'll probably get caught up on what happened to them, which could potentially last for just as many chapters. Which would mean we could go 40 chapters without Luffy and Zoro.

    That possibility kind of blows my mind. I do believe the manga is developed enough, and all Strawhats widely beloved enough, that Oda could do a fantastic job focusing on the other half and, presumably, their adventures on Zou and against Big Mom. We would get to better know Ceasar and Momo, see and learn more about Big Mom's crew and Zou, and I imagine Jinbei and Bepo and the Heart Pirates would show up and get a lot of focus, along with a multitude of new characters. There would be plenty to juggle, without involving Luffy and the rest we're presently "watching." But still, any number of chapters greater than, say, six, without Luffy, the star of the series, is... well, ballsy. But to me, it seems almost inevitable.

    Another possibility is, we see Sanji or someone - Jinbei even - show up on Dressrosa later (or call in on a Den Den Mushi) and tell Luffy he has to rush to Zou and save everybody, and the story would continue to follow him and the Dressrosa team, and whoever else accompanies (Sabo, Barto, Bellamy, Law, etc.). And then the story could switch between him and those on Zou, with bits of flashback to show how they got into whatever predicament they end up in. Even in that case though, there would likely be very little time spent on Luffy's team - I imagine it would be like when he was on his way to Marineford in the Tarai current, and most of the attention for many chapters focused on the start of that war, not his journey there.

    My point is, the longer we focus on Luffy and the events of Dressrosa, and the longer we go without seeing the Sunny team, the longer we'll likely spend with them when we do revisit their adventure - at the expense of seeing Luffy and the others we are focused on now. Oda usually balances attention on all the Strawhats to an extent, and if that dedication to equilibrium bears out, and Oda maintains focus on one island adventure at a time, we're gonna have back-to-back arcs which exclude half of our story's heroes!

    I would really like to hear what others think about this development. How many more chapters until you predict we see the Sunny team again? Do you think it will be on Dressrosa, or cut to Zou? Do you think their adventures will get spliced into the Dressrosa fights, or be developed after Dofly falls and most everything on Dressrosa concludes? Who thinks we'll get a similar number of Luffy-less chapters as we've had/will have of Sanji-less chapters? And what do you think of that possibility - will it hurt the manga, or prove that One Piece has evolved beyond needing to focus on Luffy? Do you think it would better serve the developing New World story, to have the Strawhats handle simultaneous missions, even if they're presented to us consecutively rather than concurrently? Do you think it's necessary, or optimum, with as many new characters and islands as Oda probably intends to cram into the New World Saga, that he split focus like this frequently going forward - perhaps to show how strong the crew is, that it can thrive and accrue allies even when split up and on different missions? Do you think it'll make eventual reunion chapters extra fabulous?

    Besides arguments for or against the suggestions I have made for how things might develop, I'd also like to hear any other ideas y'all might have on how the events on and around Zou (Big Mom fight) might go down and/or be presented to us, the audience. I'm more interested in discussing the structure of the manga, the ways in which Oda may or may not advance the plot, rather than what that plot might be. The method, not the madness.

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Well the ships of the SH crew have a bad fate don't they? They rarely are in a safe location. I mean Shabondy, Fishman Island, Dressrosa. Are they gonna lose the Sunny if they don't take care of it?

    But I do think Oda is not showing a lot of that group due to not revealing big info on Big Mom, so she is saving it for later, even though the characters on the ship are missed in this arc, sadly, Sanji in particular. Another cruel joke of Oda not making Sanji known to the world by his true face?

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    I'll predict that in the next 3 chapters we will see at least 1 page of the sunny team.

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    I could see them end up as the next cover story to be honest. "The Escape of... vol 1", starting at the end of the arc. Luffy and co could sail with Barto or any other of the dozen allies he might make by freeing them. Trafy would be forced to follow them into the Wano Kuni arc.
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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    I could see them end up as the next cover story to be honest. "The Escape of... vol 1", starting at the end of the arc. Luffy and co could sail with Barto or any other of the dozen allies he might make by freeing them. Trafy would be forced to follow them into the Wano Kuni arc.
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I don't think its possible to go all the way to Zou to bring law's crew as reinforcement all the way back to Dressrosa--which is also unnecessary since once the everyone is turned back to human, they will crush the marines and doffy's crew.

    I think barto will definitely escort luffy and law to zou. And at this point, I think law will owe his life to luffy and pretty much follow him.

    Or the revolutionaries will start being really introduced.


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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    I'm not sure if he will reincorporate them at all. They are not necessarily essential to the plot of Dressrosa anymore. It does not look like this arc will last that much longer. He may wait, and use their confrontation with Mom as a bridge to the next arc.

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCristian View Post
    I'll predict that in the next 3 chapters we will see at least 1 page of the sunny team.
    Has it been 3 chapters yet?
    So I said this with a belief that my opinion actually mattered at least by 1 iota!

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    I think they will encounter Kanjuuro at Zou or be held hostage by Kaido


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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Kanjuro is on Dressrosa. There is no way they only got to meet him at Zou.
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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Isnt Kanjouro meant to be missing? He could be anywhere.. All we know he disappeard..

    Kinemon said they wanted to go to zou, when law mentioned it. Maybe Knajouro escaped and is on his way there...

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    ^It seems pretty far fetched that he escaped, found a ship and an eternal pose, and headed there on his own, unnoticed by DD's family. He probably has been skulking about, gathering intelligence, trying to find out what happened to Kinemon and Momo, or about Kaido, who we know has some connection to the samurai team. It doesn't "fit" the plot for him to have "gone on ahead."

    I'd almost forgotten about this thread - thank Oda for breaks, I found it again.

    I'm really most interested to hear what people here think about my theory, that: the longer we go without seeing Team Sunny, the longer we will go without seeing Team Luffy once Dressrosa concludes.

    I expect check-in's with Team Luffy, as opposed to how Team Sunny are being handled currently. I expect Team Luffy + Allies to get on a slow boat to Zou, where we will see them every ~3 chapters for ~3 pages, to get some truth bombs dropped, have a laugh, while the Zou arc proceeds with focus on Team Sunny + ??? for ~40 chapters, until Luffy arrives and lights up the night sky. Kinda like what happened when Luffy and the Impel Down escapees - we saw events at Marineford develop, with occasional look-ins on Luffy so he could bond with Jimbei, shot the web with Buggy about Rayleigh, etc.

    Who agrees, disagrees, that the structure will roughly follow that model?

    Who fears for the manga if Luffy is absent for chapters on end?

    I don't fear, but it would be relatively unprecedented... The SH were mostly absent from the narrative for almost 100 chapters, when Luffy was on Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, Marineford. They were missed, but the manga didn't suffer because the narrative was still brilliant (IMHO - Impel Down is my favorite arc). Would y'all be as comfortable if our leading protagonist was written to the margins like that?

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    We need to get used to the many non-linear narratives that Oda pulls on us. Okay, we are not seeing the Sanji group, of course we can expect many developments on that front, Shabondy all were gone, now in this arc, half of the crew are. It's not something we can not stand or that is unbearable, we need to let the story guide us on it's own and not presume the best way and be disappointed when the story does not take us there. So far I agree with Oda not showing that group, can you image how many developments we have had since we last saw Sanji? The whole Sabo thing and SOP thing happened in between so ODa did a good job in moving the plot forward with those 2 story lines as well as bringing closure to the Toy Soldier, the mera mera and many things in between. It's fair that we allow Oda to plan Sanji for when he sees it fit for us to see him again in the story.

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josef K. View Post
    We need to get used to the many non-linear narratives that Oda pulls on us. Okay, we are not seeing the Sanji group, of course we can expect many developments on that front, Shabondy all were gone, now in this arc, half of the crew are. It's not something we can not stand or that is unbearable, we need to let the story guide us on it's own and not presume the best way and be disappointed when the story does not take us there. So far I agree with Oda not showing that group, can you image how many developments we have had since we last saw Sanji? The whole Sabo thing and SOP thing happened in between so ODa did a good job in moving the plot forward with those 2 story lines as well as bringing closure to the Toy Soldier, the mera mera and many things in between. It's fair that we allow Oda to plan Sanji for when he sees it fit for us to see him again in the story.
    I agree, what Oda's doing is working, and I while I miss Team Sunny, I don't mind the absences, because so much else is going down that excites and entertains. I feel like splitting the team and story was a great choice that works.

    But, will you/I/we'all feel the same way if Luffy and Zoro are absent for months and months after this?

    Assuming the typical high quality narrative, I would be fine focusing on Sanji and Nami and Chopper and Brook and Momo and Ceasar, and presumably Jimbei. I like them all, even Ceasar a tiny bit. I trust Oda. I would wager though, that a large number of casual or vociferous fans would be apoplectic if Luffy disappeared from the manga for half a year.

    And we all know what happens when idiots on the internet get mad.

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    Re: Team Sanji & Zou - how do you think Oda will incorporate it into the story?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoken Yoken no Mi View Post
    But, will you/I/we'all feel the same way if Luffy and Zoro are absent for months and months after this?

    Assuming the typical high quality narrative, I would be fine focusing on Sanji and Nami and Chopper and Brook and Momo and Ceasar, and presumably Jimbei. I like them all, even Ceasar a tiny bit. I trust Oda. I would wager though, that a large number of casual or vociferous fans would be apoplectic if Luffy disappeared from the manga for half a year.
    I doubt it will take more than 5 chapters (give or take) to tell us what sanji and co. were up to all this time… It would be odd if Luffy were missing for more than that…

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