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This seems rather open. Magi aren't necessarily equal in power or ability...and King Vessels certainly aren't. So it would depend entirely on the individuals in question.
I agree with Impossibility,which magi and which king vessel
Titus vs sinbad,sinbad wins
Any magi vs alibaba,koumei,hakuei,kouha,nerva,kougyoku,magi wins(perhaps among them,there is someone who can defeat some magi but this is my thought)
Titus needs some feats. He's the weakest link among the magi's right now. Although his barrier did stop all of Judars black lighting. So that's pretty impressive.
Yeah, It's actually just as you said, Impossibility & g01
But what I actually want from this thread is to compare the major, common abilities that any Magi has (infinite magoi, low physical strength, can use different formulas ...etc) to those possessed by All king vessels (efficent fighting ability, high physical strength, limited magoi, extreme magic ... etc)
And yeah, I can tell that Sinbad (1st C.S) can overpower All magis, at least for the time being, except Yunan who seems to be a very adept Magi
feel free to share your ideas and POV
Magis are the ultimate magicians while you can be a King Vessel as long as you have conquered a dungeon.
Magis are superior.
I think they're more or less equal.
Magis like Yunan and Gyokuen are special, they're really strong because they're centuries old, so it would kinda be unfair to compare them to any normal djinn equip user. They need to be compared to someone who's also special from the king vessels side, someone like Sinbad, whom i'd personally rank to be on their level, or possibly higher.
Now in Aladdin and Judar's cases, If I want to compare them to king vessels, then I'm gonna consider their powers BEFORE they used Solomon's wisdom and the medium's rukh because those two abilities aren't there by default for a magi.
We haven't seen Gyokuen, SInbad and Yunan going all out.
First I wanna see Gyokuen and Yunan powers since we haven't seen a thing of them. Expect Gyokuen doing like two attacks without any problems which we were already like "wtf" and realizing that one of the magic she used wasn't even her own spell. So if she returns, totally wanna see her true full powers 'cause they prolly are damn awesome, I hope. And Yunan the mysterious Magi.. we barely know something about him, but I think he has some incredible magic we don't know, yet. Like when he just made of air foods or trees in Sindria and Aladdin being amazed about that etc. (forgit which chapter). Also wanna see more of Sinbad 'cause he is the singularity, after all.
About Titus.. I still wanna see him in a serious fight before I will say something about him. He has Scheherazade 200 years of knowledge with him. So first I wanna see what he knows and what he can.
For now, I could easily say Magi are superior over King Vessels, but now I will say that it depends about the knowlegde that both Magi's and King Vessels have of their magic orso, imo.
Last edited by Lovemagi; February 08, 2015 at 05:17 AM.
Magis have more potential, but that's it, other than that it's really about individual ability...
Both Judar and Aladdin have received some powerups on a level King Vessels would not be able to obtain...
I think this discussion is kind of pointless because well, magis are born to serve a king. They were solely created for this purpose.
They can choose a king and serve under him/her, but can't be a king him/herself because they are not human, just a special being created by Ugoh. Their infinite supply of magoi exist to serve his/her king. Sharrkan's sword skill is better than Sinbad and Morgiana's strength is stronger than Alibaba but we don't expect them to fight their king, it's like that with magis. Aladin might be able to crush Alibaba in a fight but in the end Alibaba is the superior one because he's the king vessel Aladin chose. And I don't think magis would really fight to kill other king vessels even if he didn't choose him/her.... maybe Aladin can protect Alibaba from Hakuryuu and support him but slaying a king's vessel should be archived by another king's vessel.
Last edited by Jan123; February 09, 2015 at 03:54 AM.
It's pretty clear that Ohtaka intended to draw Magi superior than K.V and people in this pictures (ch 110):
Also, Magis do not have to take orders from anyone, they just follow the Great Flow (aka Solomon's will):
Honestly, I don't see how can king vessels be considered ''superior'' to Magis
Last edited by Dark Schneider; February 09, 2015 at 05:58 AM.
Yes, in the new world magi are guides and not servants, as in AT Solomon was the one and only king, while there was no telling what person would be chosen in the new world, so magi were made "less" extreme at what they do.
About Sheherezade, she wasn't the highest ruler as Reim has an unseen emperor. The king vessels also didn't bow to her, but rather respected her. The emperor probably also made everyone do as she says.
Magi are "technically" able not to chose anyone, but Yunan seems to be a special case, as his primary goal seems not to be choosing a king. Remember, even Judal who dislikes being a magi was always wanting to chose a king. They are basically programmed to do so, an inner desire basically. And this desire forces magi to follow it. Yunan seems to have some other desire, as he never even wanted to chose a king. He DID create most of the dungeons though...
About the first picture, the only reason why magi are put above is because they bring the means. They are the only ones which can create dungeons, which their kings conquer for money and power. They themselves cannot conquer it, as djinns don't even consider a magi when chosing someone. So they give their kings power, a power they can't use themselves. But its not a symbiotic relationship, as they give that power with the only thing wanting in return is that the king follows HIS dreams and wishes.
About the second picture, as they "only" have to follow the great flow makes them eternal servants of Solomon, right? Which is why they don't serve anyone else, but rather guide them in the new world.
About actual power, you got to disregard any special power like SW or Mogamett's knowledge, as they aren't usual traits of magi. Titus is actually THE best example of a magi.
They are stronger magicians, always having enough magoi for magic and having a stronger borg. A king vessel has limited magoi, but in that limited time he can "usually" kill a magi, because some powers are more offensive than others. For example, Muu could kill a magi with ease. So could Alibaba probably. Sinbad and Kouen should be able to as well, with Kouen technically having limitless magoi himself too.
Koumei probably can't. Darius maybe also. But there are much more kings that can than those that can't.
So to conclude: magi give power to kings. That power allows kings to change the world. In that sense, magi change the world as well. But kings are more powerful, rightfully so. They live a limited time, while magi can be revived, but during that limited life of theirs, they hold the power.