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I foresaw it and am totally fine with
I didn't see it coming and didn't like it
I don't have feelings either way
I didn't see it coming but am totally fine with it
I foresaw it and didn't like it
I'm reserving judgement
Kishimoto has really messed up the timeline. he needs to go back and re-read most of the chapters from the beginning again cause this is becoming rather annoying.. none of this makes any sense. whether he has had enough of writting naruto i dont know, but stop fuckin with us. all the ninjas in the academy when u look carefully the ages dont match and some of them shouldnt even have been there at the point. kishimoto better have a good reason about revealing tobi as obito cause this has caused a lot of confusion.
Tobi being Obito; why should I care if it is Obito or not. if it is Obito or someone else; I will be fine with it. it's not like I have personal liking or disliking for Obito.
but the problem lies somewhere else. from the time I started reading the manga, I always participated in Naruto debates in another forum; thus the love for details. so when I look back, I see many reasons for which I cannot accept Tobi as Obito. neither as the same person, nor as an imposter. both options seem to be flawed.
and another problem is how careless the author of this manga has become. the recent chapter has been a very big disappointment.
1. Kagami is such a minor caracter we know almost nothing about him (except he was an Uchiha and he was in Tobirama's team), so he can't be an important villain.
2. If he was was introduced in the story it means he has a role.
Don't get me wrong I like the ideea of Tobi being Kagami and you have a good theory but as I said you have to look from 2 points of view
But, we saw that the one controlling Yagura was the long-hair one.
And then, years after that, the short-hair one (Obito) show his face to Kisame, and Kisame recognized him as the one controlling Yagura.
This doesn't make sense...
Besides there is a significant... obvious difference between Madaras and Obitos face. And I don't remember anyone who recognizes a ninja just by looking at the Sharingan.
And he could easily have had some kind of surgery or had something to change his appearance, so not recognizing his face Kisame recognized his Sharingan, which he may have known to be Madara's. Even then the genjutsu is a lot more likely.
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I just don't see Kisame being successfully fooled by a simple Genjutsu.
There are ninjas who got fooled by the Sharingan, because they didn't even know about Sharingan and its mechanics. Deidara is a perfect example.
But the first time Kisame saw the Sharingan, he recognizes it as such in an instant and proves that he is quite familiar with its powers.
He is also the one who explains Deidara how he got trapped in a Genjutsu just by looking at it.
Additionally this guy was partnererd with one of the best Genjutsu user so far over years. It's hard for me to accept that Kisame was fooled so easy.
Last edited by syx; September 02, 2012 at 10:28 AM.
Sorry for the late reply. I understand this is a quite revealing chapter so there has to be a review according to the gravity of the revelation. You have outdone yourself this time around. Very good read, loved it 8)
Hey, everyone. A quick update from the road on my way back home.
There's been a lot of interesting discussion about this chapter (so much so I doubt I'll be able to reply to everyone like planned). That and some time to think about the chapter has helped me solidify my thoughts on Obito as Tobi. I'm not entirely opposed to Tobi actually being Obito. He's an interesting character and I like how his story parallels with Kakashi. What I dislike about the reveal is the sheer volume of inconsistencies it raises. Some of these Kishimoto might be able to rectify in future chapters, but others are outright errors (which many of you have pointed out) that directly contradict what's come before in the series and supplemtal info from the databooks like ages.
There's also the possibility that Tobi is actually someone else using Obito's flesh. I'd be open to this development if it's someone we've been shown before like Kagami or someone with directly affected by Obito's death who might resemble Obito like his father. Whatever the case, this is likely a large turning point in the series. Younger readers might be more willing to go along with whatever Kishi writes, but the older readers well versed in the mythology will recognize as they have any and all plot holes.
Obito, in that much discussed panel, was imaging his face in a succession of the past and future hokage: hashirama, tobirama, the present hokage at the time of the flashback sarutobi hiruzen, the next likely future one minato and then the hokage after minato, that is to say him, obito.
Even minato face was imagined by obito, not real, in order to show Rin how the succession of faces would like in a distant future.
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clearly that doesnt explain the inconsistency with kakashi becoming chunin at six (maybe he lied the first time?) and obito fighting on equal level with minato just some years (5? i believe it has already been stated but i dont know) with the fourth hokage. Clearly imo obito's body was powered up after been rescued under that big heavy boulder, maybe it's just been used as a shell.
I bet we will discover something about Rin in the next chapters.
Waiting for chapter 600...
see black...you're not alone on this...i don't think it's tobi either.
and this is a little bit of a post from me yesterday too...
so the question is...was obito/tobi neglected and left for dead???Quote: