but i think for it to make sense tobi will answer kakashi "well yes...and no" i think if its explained that somehow tobi was saved via madara or zetsu and madara infused him with Hashiramas DNA and Madaras own DNA(as to vastly improve "tobi"...and maybe if they show that the long haired tobi was really the read madara and the short haired one is obito that would make a bit of sense
the start of a bloody good fight leading to the end of the series
stop dragging it out anymore. kishi obviously doesn't give a crap anymore, look at the messed up inconsistent storyline we have right now... stop adding anything to it and just finish it
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long haired tobi can't be madara. that much is impossible if kishi wishes to save the timeline
A reset button. And hopefully the last save point was before Deidara fought Sasuke. Kishi could try this whole war thing over, only with relevant villains, rather than rehashing dead favorites. Then he could save Deidara and Kisame for the beginning of the war, to fight supporting characters (Neiji, Sakura, Gai, etc.), Kabuto could fight Team 10 with the Azuma edo tensei zombie (best part of the war, no need to change it). Instead of fighting before the war, Sasuke could fight Itachi during the war, when the stakes are even higher. Even better, Itachi would not have to be retconned into a good guy. The climax of the war could then be Naruto vs. Pain. Instead of Pain laying waste to the village as part of the jinchuriki hunt, it would be the final battle of the war. Pain destroys Konoha, but Naruto intervenes to save the day, defeating Akatsuki, winning the war. Tobi would only then appear, reveal his master plan, and initiate the next arc.
As I understand it there are basically 2 sides to this.
Tobi is Obito, in which would mean Kishimoto has a TON of plot holes to patch.
It's someone in Obito's body, in which case this chapter was a complete waste
(I tend to lean toward this one as the "lesser evil")
The reality is that both of those options are bad but this whole arc is bad so where there ever really another way this arc could culminate?
The question of "What Chapter 600 needs to turn it around?" is something of a trick question in my opinion, because I don't think it can be. At least not anything that Kishimoto would actually do.
The Rinnegan, Sharingan, and Senju stuff is what Kishimoto wants to focus on but has made it so pointlessly convoluted at this point that even if there was a way to bend logic in such a way as to make the new stuff fit together he would probably need to blow 2 chapters chapters to explain it in a semi rational way, which would suck obvously.
In a way I agree with Kaiten, a reset button is the only way to really fix things. Though I think turning back the clock is not a practical solution. What I'd perfer to see done is him kill off the whoever he needs to get out of the way and do a 3 month time-skip. Then from there embark on one last story arc free of all the baggage this arc is dragging around. Is that likely to happen? I tend to think not.
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Divine Intervention. Although, Kishi may take that to mean another Uchiha. So, I'd just settle for Sakura transforming into Pink Gorilla Saiyan Mode, wrecking the battlefield, and feasting on every character directly or indirectly involved with Tobi. That would probably be more believable than anything else that's likely to happen at this point.
Naruto has and always will make perfect sense. This is ont he same level as Naruto and Yondaime being father and son. We all could of guessed it. I think people just want to make the manga deeper than it is. The correct question is why doesnt it make sense?
do have a read
kishi is not exactly consistent
if you can stare at two contradicting statements and not notice it, whilst we can't, that is not something i can see being blamed on us
'how dare you think?' <-- that doesn't even make sense
The timeline is sooo messed up....Tobi being Obito? Seriously? It makes no sense. This whole war arc was just lame. In my opinion chapter 590(I will love you forever) was the best. I was just thinking... Tite Kubo made an awesome chapter this week so someone (kishi) had to be the troll.
question: what does naruto chapter 600 need in order for this manga to make any sense anymore?
answer: win+r, cmd.exe, DEL "narutowararcbymasashikishimoto.txt"