Being aware of Monet's background (that she's threatened by DoFla) I can't imagine that Ruffy has the intention to "defeat" her.
And I don't like the situation that Ruffy is kinda "out of business". And neither the fact that a guy like him couldn't escape this basement easily.
Let me tell you a story .
On a pre-timeskip the One piece world was really unfair especially for Paramecias who were going against Logias.It was a world were the rock paper scissors metaphor was the king.A paramecia like Luffy could never stand a chance against a logia like Smoker no matter what.It was too unfair.
Then two element came into play,changed the all game and made the rock paper scissors thing irrelevant for those who added those two attribut in their fighting skills.Those two element where called "Rokushiki" and "Haki".With those two attribut,a paramecia with the worst attribut could make himself alot stronger,someone like garp who doesn't posses any devil fruit could climb all the way up to the top tier fighters in the One piece world.In this new world ,Logia aren't the most feared anymore,haki users are.And the one who apply it the best is the strongest.
All this to say that the outcome of the battle betwen Vergo and Smoker has nothing to do with the rock paper and scissors metaphor,but rather with who applies Rokushiki and Haki the best,and in this case Vergo seems to be skillfull one which is the reason why i think he is the will win enless Law gives him a hand.
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Smoker expects to fight a monster, that's comming from his knowledge, his experience and usage of haki. So what in the hellish levels of Impel Down made you think that he would underestimate his ex-boss and head of one of the most dangerous areas of the sea?
Aniki: A Japanese honorable term for an older brother or a superior.
pre-post edit: seen Keeper of Jericho reply already, but
As you mentioned before, people doesn't seem to get what a break is about. XD Such a sad sight. Do readers just feel angry about Law's fast loss?
Even with Law going down like that against Vergo, this doesn't really show us that he is actually weak, but that he could be just a bad match up for him. His room doesn't seem to help him very much, his attacks are being shielded with probably the strongest showcase of CoA[which Luffy could have needed against Hodys bite attacks]. I'm excited to see how a logia user will try to attack and/or subdue him. I also wonder if Law will be of any help for the rest of the fight, lying unconscious on the ground like that.
[QUOTE=Poisok2;3056150]Normally the "epic" chapter comes befora a break, not after. That happens with every manga in the double issues for instance.[QUOTE]
You mean a chapter with a big cliffhanger, which doesn't have to be epic by itself, just tease a lot. e.g. Kubo, the master troll j/k
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Rokushiki is a standard to measure physical feat (nowadays) but that isn't a be all and end all. If Garp don't know Rokushiki, I wouldn't be surprise. Rokushiki is but a martial art technique among martial art technique. In a sense, that one element was always there since the beginning of the series. What I meant is the mastering of one own skill whether it is swordsmanship or DF. For Luffy, he didn't achieve the maximum out of his DF until the Gears.
If anything the rock, paper, scissor still stand. A logia like Coribou could still be defeat by the like of Rob Lucci with a pair of seastone handcuff (even without Coribou probably can't do much against Lucci). I meant Luffy completely immune to the Mero Mero fruit and the Goro Goro fruit. But up course, the One Piece is very complex and doesn't fit perfectly like the Sannin thing from Naruto.
Haha, I just recall Wiper who didn't have either of those 2 elements almost kill Enel. Both of you guys' views are rather too simplistic for the One Piece's world.
1.In a sense,rokushiki and haki were always there since the beginning of series and beyond since the previous generations were using it as well,but we were not aware of it until way later in the series.Quote:
2.Imo,Luffy still haven't reach his maximum potential.But still he had to learn from rokushiki so could get stronger and be inspired to create Gear.
Hell i think Smoker would be defeated by Ussop if he was handcuffed with seastone but i don't think this has anything to do with the subject.And when you say "even without Coribou probably can't do much against Lucci",i would like you to elaborate because i don't see how Lucci can win without haki.Quote:
Listen someone like Luffy was indeed trapped with the rock paper scissors thing mostly because of his disadvantage as a paramecia against logia.But now tell me how earth this metaphor can still be applied here when obviously Luffy went beyond that concept by learning rokushiki and haki!!Someone like him who,obviously,wouldn't stand a chance against people like Smoker can now fight all those logias as an equal then, eventually ,surprise them.
Sure he Luffy is immune but would it still be the same if the Mero mero no mi or the Goro goro no mi were reinforced with CoA!?Of course not.Quote:
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Rody naruto- You didn't understand what I said. I totally dismissed the notion that Rokushiki is anyway shape or form important. Instead, I am saying mastering one own skill is important. Some people can have the best devil fruit but still can't utilized it well. Some are born with haki but fail at using it, etc.
I think you only read things the way you want to read it. I am saying that Smoker using a weapon with seastone. A handcuff isn't the best weapon since it is not in anyway shape or form serve as a weapon. But with Lucci's skill, he can used to defeat an inferior opponent like Coribou. The second half of that statement, you didn't understand me either. I am saying that with Coribou's skill, he can't defeats Lucci since Lucci could dodge very easily at best it is a stalemate.Quote:
Umm, I think your problem is that you come up with a method that you think it fit best. Then you try to mold everything into your thinking. Let's take BlackBeard for example, his DF work best on DF users. But if his opponent is Mihawk then what now??? (not considering the quake fruit). Let's take Marco for example, the guy could renegade himself over and over and over, the convention method wouldn't work on him. And no, knowing haki doesn't equate on fighting logia at the same level. Even when Vista and Marco try to injured Akainu, we do not know whether or not Akainu using haki to block or it just his physical endurance and his DF power or a combination of all of the above. We can only guestimate.
I don't think it worth my time to read your past posts. But I do recall your A>B>C because something about Smoker is slower than Vergo or something. Which to me is nonsensical. Kuro seemingly disappear, but I bet Smoker is faster than Kuro.
I do not agree with the system of this opponent can defeat this opponent at x difficulty as I've seen in imaginary matches from other forum.
I rather it is more like Law has x percentage of winning at x difficulty while his opponent has x percentage of winning at x difficulty.
This system implied both has a chance of winning and loosing simultaneously (at different percentage) and maybe at different level of difficulty.
The whole A > B > C or rock, paper, scissor to be are just too damn simplistic.
As far as I am concern at the moment, both has around the same chance of winning at about the same level of difficulty. Since both are very straight forward fighter.
Edit: but really, don't take it to heart. There isn't much of an argument cause I don't even know what are we debating/arguing on. rofl
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My understanding is that people didn't enjoy Luffy being defeated by Monet rather than Law by Vergo
I think this subject is moving away from its original porpuse and i can understand since you didn't read my previous post.i did understand your post correctly,it is you who didn't get mine.On the handcuffs issue it was my sarcastic to say that handcuffs have nothing to do in this conversation since i was only talking about skills.But i guess you didn't get it.So let me make this more clear;when it comes to skills Lucci should not stand a chance against Caribou since he cannot touch him enless he uses haki.Hell Luffy or anyone would have been able to touch Smoker if he was handcuffed with seastones but that is not the issue.
Lol i am just defending my point of view and are you amplying that Mihawk would beat Blackbeard and that his Devil fruit will not work on him???Ok what's next!?Quote:
Yes it does and Garp is the proof of itQuote:
For the rest of the post i won't even bather because that would just make me repeat myself over and over.And time is money!
To finish i will say to you the One piece is pretty vaste world with alot of variety yet(thank God) Oda manage to make it simple anough so even child a could understand it,you are the one making it complicated.
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I didn't enjoy the chapter (I expected too much, was already having a lukewarm week) but I love Vergo's character, he is totally on mission in every frame. He's taking enormous hits and not slowing down or looking like he will and he's giving just as good as he gets. People make excuses that Sanji's body was hurt so he wasn't at his best against Vergo. Nobody is making excuses for Vergo and after his rampage he still looks like he's gonna give Smoker his toughest fight so far! He still hasn't drawn his bamboo weapon! I'm sure its gonna take both Law and Smoker, begrudgingly allied, to stop him.
Also I want Nami challenging Monet after catching up to Mocha. Nami said all that "I can't leave crying children" stuff, she's right in front of the people who did that. Plus that thunder trap attack was painfully unspectacular, ditto for that Gust Sword.