Singles 1 Oni Juujirou Atobe Keigo Title Gatekeeper of Hell King of Ice School High School 3rd Year Hyoutei Gakuen 3rd Year Height 187 cm 175 cm Weight 83 kg 62 kg Dominant Hand Right Right Playstyle Aggressive Baseliner All Rounder Techniques Black Jack Knife Insight
Shitsui e no FUGUE
Koori no Sekai
Serve order: Oni -> Atobe
This round ends on Thursday, September 27th 8 PM GMT.
Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!
I'm going with Oni for now. Atobe barely beat no 9-10. And while there might be some combination bonus for those two since they're double specialist, I don't think that the bonus would be that large.
I just don't know enough of Oni yet to make this kind of decision.
He only crushed Nationals!Momoshiro and Takei Toshio.
Players Atobe surely would have finished off.
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Atobe > Ochi to a certain degree, there isnt too much in it between them probably,
and Atobe >>> Mouri in Singles.
I Wouldn't judge Atobe based on the ''Super Doubles Specialists'' lol. Hated that nickname.
Atobe Kindom has less effect in Doubles.
Irie never actually returned AK, although he did appear to have prevented Atobe from using it. Oni isn't as fast as Irie, and his technique most likely isn't nearly as good as Irie's, so whether he can prevent AK in the same manner Irie can is uncertain. However, Oni has BJK working for him, and BJK is a little too much for Atobe. No matter what small upgrade you can think of for Atobe, it's not going to be enough to deal with BJK.
Even though I think Oni could win 6-0, with a small upgrade, perhaps Atobe can make it more respectable than that. I'm going Oni wins 6-2.
In the stamina section, they may be equal and I think Atobe's mental is stronger than Oni's. This is a difficult decision, I do think Atobe would beat Oni, but again Oni is really strong.
There's really no way around it, I can't see how Atobe could win. Oni is not only (serious) Irie level, but he is arguably the physically strongest person in the entire series. I means, the guy is lifting absurd boulders. Oni may even be above Babe Ruth who made Gin look like an idiot. I don't think the combination of Atobe's technique and power is high enough to counter Oni's power alone (which I predict is an off-the-charts 7-10), let alone Oni's technique on top of that. The only people I can see being able to combat Oni are people like Irie/Yukimura, who have enough technique to counter the strength, or people like Sanada/Kintarou who have the natural ability to handle powerful shots. Atobe is not in any of those categories. He has less technique than the one camp, and less power than the other camp. Oni wins this.
Duke is the No.1 Power Player in Japan. There is somebody physically above Oni.
Secondly, we have Byoudouin Houou. Oni isn't even a Power Player. He just so happens to be DBZ strong.
I don't think the Original No.5 is above Original No.3 in strength.
Especially if Oni is in Doubles which I hope he isn't but likely is.
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Konomi will explain things later I believe.
But I think Atobe won't be crushed that easily, I see him taking points from Oni with AK, he could keep his serve from some games with Tannahuser serve.
We've had Kaji Kazena as No.5, Irie Kanata wasn't on the list. Neither was Tokugawa Kazuya. They never justified why newcomer Echizen Ryoga was No.4, like for real, it isn't something to really base opinions on.
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Byoudouin showed us why he is No.1 since he damaged Tokugawa last year.
Saying Duke, Byoudouin and Tanegashima could be the weakest of the G10 AFTER we have seen Tohno, Kimijima, Ochi and Mouri is silly.
It's too extreme.
We don't know if Byoudouin and Tanegashima are the best and 2nd best, but No.s 1 and 2, seem to be more solid than No.s 7-20.
Tanegashima who didn't have that ''surprised'' expression when watching Tezuka unlike the others at the camp let's us know he isn't going to be the weakest of the G10 now that we have seen Mouri etc.
When did I ever say ''I am trusting it for these characters'' but ''Not these characters''? You're putting words in peoples mouths. Don't make things up.
Last edited by Airgrimes; September 24, 2012 at 06:14 PM.
And of course I think the top 3 are actual top 3 with the actual ranking. I told you I believe that his ranking is right. And since it seemed it could be right for top 3, I don't see a reason why it might not be right for 5-20 either.
I'm actually not putting words in your mouth. I simply said
"I don't see why "Oh, I'll trust it for these characters" and "Nope, I'm not trusting it for these characters.". That's simply two standards."
which just means that it's either you trust the ranking for all of them or ranking for none of them. That is my point
And the long things that you think are silly are counterpoint just in case you'll say "Do you think Sharpshooter can't beat Twin?" or something like that. Nothing shows that he can't. The twin base stats could be high enough, and you really don't have a way to tell. The 1st stringer ranking are cannon and unbiased.
Last edited by -Ken-; September 24, 2012 at 07:17 PM.
he has more mysterious powers and his black jacknife. I'm also assuming he has more tennis exp and he knows the powers of top10 u17. we've seen atobe at his best in recent chapters, he's evolved, but i'm not that impressed.
Last edited by ashore; September 24, 2012 at 08:44 PM.